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Subject: Review; Roland Fantom Soundfonts from eBay seller "recordingselite"
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06/03/2008 6:10 PM  

It's a big gamble to buy sound packs from eBay. Often times it's a mostly samples you can find elsewhere or you see the same products sold by different people. Or the sounds just don't sound as good as they promise.

I took a gamble on some sondfonts beging sold by an eBay seller named "recordingselite"

The description promised to deliver ALL of the patches of a Roland Fantom X6 multi-note and multi-velocity sampled. Too good to be true? Read on...

The price is kind of higher than what I would want to pay at $69 but I think compared to a real Fantom this is not expensive and it's a lot of work to capture every patch in a mutisampled way even with automated tools. I respect that.

I use the Buy Now button and to order a copy. Actually I also ordered the  Triton Extreme set too but havent even loaded them as of the writing of this review.

A week later I get 11 DVDs and as I am copying the 35+ GB to my audio drive I realize I'm going to run out of space.... :) My entire soundfont collection prior to this was about 50 gigs and that took me almost 10 years to collect. Be sure you have the space before odering these sounds as I was scrambline to find room.

The DVD comes with a VST capable of importing and playing the soundfonts, but I prefer to use just the soundfonts with the FL Soundfont player so I didn't install it.

Let's get down to the real meat and potatoes....


The Good

Quality is excellent on these bad boys. These are some of the nicest soundfonts I have ever heard. SoundFonts can't compete as well as some of the other more modern samplers as far as features, but I use them extensively and know their weaknesses.

They are multi-sampled which means many notes across the keyboard were recorded and mapped to minimize the degrading quality when mapping a sound up and down the note range.

They are also multi-velocity at 3 levels. This means that they were recorded at a low, medium and high key pressure. So low notes sound softer and higher velocity notes sound harder.

OMG there are so many sounds on here. I may never get around to hearing all of them because there are so many. The Pianos, Guitars and Strings are all very usable and I will be using them a lot.

Sounds are not looped but are sampled at a length adequate for most tempos. I did not find any sounds that cut off prematurely


The Bad

There is one major standout problem that I need to let you guys know about. The soundfonts only go as low as C3. Internally it says the samples are as low as C2 but for me they only map as low as C3. This is for every patch. So bass sounds, guitar, piano etc that need to be played at the lower octaves won't work. (results may be diff when
using the VST that comes with it)

There are a few minor issue that only effect a few of the presets. First, some of the velocity levels are set too low. This is most eveident in some of the guitar patches that play bends at high velocity values. They play at a lower velocity than they should and makes playing them realtime difficult. This is easy enough to fix post recording the score by manually editing them but it is a pain.

Second, some samples are offset by silence. You might play a note and it plays no sound for a few hundred milliseconds. I have inspected the raw samples inside the soundfont and can see that they were recorded with this silence at the beginning of the sample. These are not common but they do exist.

Most of these problems are fixable with a soundfont editor like Vienna. I have made a few corrections for my own use and everything is cool.

The Ugly

Sequenced/Arpegiated presets are not tempo sync'ed. To handle this, you would need timestretch and this not a capability of the soundfont specification. This is not a negative point, it's just how it is so expect that up front.


The Conclusion

Would I buy again knowing all this? Yes.

You might think the price is high, but really you are paying pennies per soundfont. And there is a lot of time and effort in creating this pack.

Overall I am very happy with the purchase. Of course I would have like some of the problems I mentioned to not be there but luckily I know how to fix them so I can deal with it. And let me be clear, with the exception of the "no notes below C3" gripe, only a minimal number of presets are effected by the other problems.

The sounds are amazing and a few of them will be "go to" sounds for me.

Since the price and quality means most to me and I do know how to correct some of the issues with these sounds, I gave it a better score than I normally would have.

Warbeats Rating: 8/10


You can see recordingselite's eBay page here: http://myworld.ebay.com/recordingselite/

 

 


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06/03/2008 6:24 PM  
" meat and potatoes " lol

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06/03/2008 6:28 PM  
LOL damn you were talking about this like 2 months ago in the chat. Very nice review NFX. 69 bucks is a steal btw. IMO

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06/03/2008 8:02 PM  
I got a question here, since these are riped sounds off a keyboard does these sounds cross any copyright laws or anything like that?

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06/04/2008 9:30 AM  

Posted By SAHA on 06/03/2008 8:02 PM
I got a question here, since these are riped sounds off a keyboard does these sounds cross any copyright laws or anything like that?

no

 


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06/04/2008 11:15 AM  
Thanks NFX, gd find and gd review
this is definately something of interest in the near future
though 35gb is more than half my HD atm! lol

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06/04/2008 12:12 PM  
Posted By SAHA on 06/03/2008 8:02 PM
I got a question here, since these are riped sounds off a keyboard does these sounds cross any copyright laws or anything like that?



I am not a lawyer and I don't know.

On one hand, if you own the hardware you should be able to use the sounds as you see fit. I see drum kits sampled all the time 808, 909 etc and the same rule should apply to them as they are also hardware. I also see commercial libraries for other keyboards like Mellotron, VIRUS, JUNO etc..

On the other hand, I could see where someone might ask this question.

You will NOT get the same quality from this collection as the real thing. There are many advanced features and FX that can be applied in the real Fantom that you cannot reproduce without it.

 


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06/04/2008 2:46 PM  
no u dont have to worry bout that... I allready asked that question to profesionall sound maker or whatever u can call him...
I forgot what he said but i know its something that hardware synths sounds cant be copyrighted...

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06/05/2008 11:51 AM  
You can't copyright sounds unless you create a melody or pattern................all the sounds that come on the keyboards and sequencers are what is called public domain, unless it's a pre looped melody, it can't be copy written!!!! so knock your self out and have fun...........

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06/12/2008 6:15 PM  
Correction to that last post, you can indeed copyright a sound. Many major corporations have their signature sounds, blibs and what not.

Also realise that many VST developers have problems whit his (for the sake of it let's insert a example in here) Audiorealism ADM is a beatbox emulator for TR- 606 808 and 909. But out of respect for ROlands copyright the real 909 samples are not included.

So it seems it is not always as cut and clear as you mght think.

Anyways, nice job on the review ;)
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06/23/2008 7:48 AM  
Good find and review. How is the Triton Extreme soundfont set NFX? Are they as good as the Fantom ones?
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06/26/2008 1:42 PM  
good find... im thinkin bout buyin it

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07/03/2008 7:00 PM  
sounds great! if you have some examples of beats you made with those sounds, I'd like to hear them!

thanks for the review

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