Everyone who has seen the movie The Matrix understands (hopefully) that what was reality to everyone was in actuality just a perceived idea of consciousness. In other words... what they saw, felt, touched, tasted, smelled was all fabricated and not actually real! I find this idea fascinating because we see this happening everyday when two people tell the same story about an event or a situation; they both seem to have different "views" on its reality. What I see in something will not be the exact thing someone else sees.

The fact that light travels into our eye and the signal of that light is transfered to the brain and then the brain takes a micro-second to arrange and make a decision as to what that light represents is amazing. So my brain says....

"I am perceiving that the light signal is a chair... as I know a chair to look like."

But... is that really what that is? And because I believe it is a chair... is that why I can use it as a chair? in other words... does my belief in the chair cause me to be able to make it real? remember Yeshua (jesus) said if you believe and have faith you can tell the mountain to be moved and the mountain will move? Is it really because there is in actuality NO MOUNTAIN... but only what we believe to be a mountain?

Hmmmm.....???

wtf,its like some lab coats thing about,they think lives are made up visulas in our minds an ish like it isnt real or some ish i donno if ya find dat is on utube then post it,this an that are mind blowers

Ok, this was interesting, but heres the thing, its pretty much all based on an aspect of physics that we do not understand yet, and to say "we can not explain this, therefor it is not real" is a very big leap, and in order for it to work needs to have a lot of people telling it to us using big words and with 'epic' music in the background.

Posted By lazzzy on 24 Jun 2009 12:24 PM
wtf,its like some lab coats thing about,they think lives are made up visulas in our minds an ish like it isnt real or some ish i donno if ya find dat is on utube then post it,this an that are mind blowers

Not exactly... What they are saying is:

WHAT YOU BELIEVE TO BE REAL... WILL BECOME REAL. EVERYTHING THAT "IS", ONLY IS BECAUSE YOU THINK IT IS.

We are the ones in bondage... because we do not understand the power within ourselves to create WHATEVER WE WANT!

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Posted By Da Moose on 24 Jun 2009 12:39 PM
Ok, this was interesting, but heres the thing, its pretty much all based on an aspect of physics that we do not understand yet, and to say "we can not explain this, therefor it is not real" is a very big leap, and in order for it to work needs to have a lot of people telling it to us using big words and with 'epic' music in the background.

THERE IS NO EXPLANATION NEEDED FOR YOU TO LOOK AT YOUR SKIN AND SAY... "ITS WHITE" OR "BLACK". You just perceive it to be so. You also just perceive it to be solid... but, your skin/body is not solid. In fact NOTHING IS SOLID. everything has a vibration and the same atoms that make up you or a concrete wall are alike. AND... THEY ARE ALL MOVING AT DIFFERENT RATES OF SPEED OR FREQUENCIES!

The ancients understood that WE CONTROL OUR REALITY! YOUR reality is made up of your dreams, desires, fears, and what you are accepting from the thoughts and ideas of others; that you perceive as REAL.

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man i tell you , the more you post the more i see we are alike, its kinda creepy... lol

we have the same interest , and thought processes....

anywho, i would like to go into this more, but its late, and im watching tv...

but, at nite when i cant sleep i try to fly.. not joking, seriously it has to do with this whole theory of thinking... i have yet to have a break through, but maybe im not smart enough yet...

Posted By mr_whitepholk on 24 Jun 2009 02:19 PM
man i tell you , the more you post the more i see we are alike, its kinda creepy... lol

we have the same interest , and thought processes....

anywho, i would like to go into this more, but its late, and im watching tv...

but, at nite when i cant sleep i try to fly.. not joking, seriously it has to do with this whole theory of thinking... i have yet to have a break through, but maybe im not smart enough yet...

KEEP GOING!!! I am telling you
YOU WILL FLY!

Once you get past YOURSELF; once we all get past OURSELVES and what we have learned..

The bondage which keeps us where we are is the BELIEF that we CANNOT do/be/have what we want. We must overcome that bondage. Once we start to say..

I CAN _____ (fill in the blank with positivity)
I AM _______ (Fill in the blank with Positivity)

then and only then will the chains that bind us start to come off!

STOP TRYING TO FLY AND FLY!!!
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too much thinkin 4 me homie

I love the idea of The Martix as a film. As a reality i highly doubt it lol. Some guy/s programmed us and our surroundings to make them look 'real' and fool us into thinking we actually have a life, when in reality we don't?

However, i think what your trying to get at is that idea of our minds holding us back. Which i do believe...the metaphore of the mountain is somewhat apt. But maybe used in a more 'realistic' scenario it might appeal to more people Like for instance...there are obsticals blocking what you want in life...you can choose to focus on your goal in life and forget (or move) the obsticals to achieve whatever you want

and LOL, you said bondage haha

Well to answer the op's question, we would first have to define "Real". As it was in the movie real to those entrapped was what theu neuro impulses were telling them and for those children of zion real was something else all together. Is one or the other more real and more importantly are those the only views on the subject? Who defines the real "real"? Or is it up to the individual perception of your surroundings to define that? Wouldn't I be tripping over someone elses couch of that was the case?

How about the theories of bending time and space using blackholes? If that became reality and we could reproduce controlled black holes, in theory that would mean time travel. Now what happens when someone travels back in time and changes something in your past life. Is he then affecting your will and perception of reality or just pushing around shared particles of energy?

Posted By lucas572 on 24 Jun 2009 03:46 PM
I love the idea of The Martix as a film. As a reality i highly doubt it lol. Some guy/s programmed us and our surroundings to make them look 'real' and fool us into thinking we actually have a life, when in reality we don't?

However, i think what your trying to get at is that idea of our minds holding us back. Which i do believe...the metaphore of the mountain is somewhat apt. But maybe used in a more 'realistic' scenario it might appeal to more people Like for instance...there are obsticals blocking what you want in life...you can choose to focus on your goal in life and forget (or move) the obsticals to achieve whatever you want

and LOL, you said bondage haha

LOL.... Yeah... in a way I am telling you that YOU and ME and just about EVERYONE HAS BEEN PROGRAMED! Don't believe me??? Watch this...

Tell me what you think about (the very first thing you think about) when I say these things:

Osama Ben Ladin
Jesus
Terrorism
My5tery

You along with a high percentage of the population would say the same things regarding those words... because you have been lead to believe/programed what to think. We really do not have a life my friend... you think you are free in America/the world and you're not. The real life that you COULD have is locked away in your dreams and will not be obtained until you learn how to break free from your fears, mankinds purposes for you, and the education that has been denied you.

Tell me... why would you pay to have a house when you have the ability to design/build your own?

Why would you pay to eat when there are natural foods growing all over the earth?

Why should you work a 9-5 for someone else to benefit the majority of the rewards when you are still not able to pay your debts?

BECAUSE... you have been programed that what you're doing is the right thing to do.

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Posted By Sabotage on 24 Jun 2009 04:30 PM
Is one or the other more real and more importantly are those the only views on the subject? Who defines the real "real"? Or is it up to the individual perception of your surroundings to define that? Wouldn't I be tripping over someone elses couch of that was the case?

I suppose it is as in real life today... the battle of the wills persists. I often used to wonder how do ANGELS and DEMONS fight if there is no physical body to cause pain or injury? I have come to the conclusion that they fight over WILL POWER and TRUTH. In other words.. if they can win over the other thru CONVINCING the other that THEY are stronger, more correct in their thinking, Have greater influence.. then the weaker concedes.

That happens today thru negotiations and a battle of then minds. So to answer your question:

The one who believes he is the strongest... IS!

and yes.. if you believe the couch is there (or someone convinced you that it is) and you couldn't see yourself avoiding it... YES you would be tripping over that couch! BUT Neo learned to avoid the couch.... or began to believe...

"there is no spoon"

Rate me please...
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lol, that scenes baaaad when he bends the spoon

ok im awake, and more on this from me.. as usual i like to delve into different areas of thinking and other types of news, ie; crptozoology and such. not to say i believe in it fully because i am always skeptical until i see or feel actual proof positve that something is exisiting. same thing with this subject.

i have came to 2 conclusions on this, one being the guy who came up with this idea of changing reality is extremely smart but not smart enough to fully grasp what he just stumbled upon, or he is just plain crazy in the head.

i cant call it... but some things i can do is present ideas on thie way i perceive it as my brain has... a few things i thought about are, if your blindfolded and fall asleep and moved to another place, anywhere, somewhere your not familiar with, then when you awake your will not be able to see, but you will be able to feel what is around you, therefore giving you an idea where you are at. if you try and pass a metal object thru a wall, be it brick or dry wall, you will either penetrate it easliy if its weak or have a struggle because its harder than the metal..

these are just two things i can come up with on this idea, i am not trying to debunk it in anyway , like i said i am always skeptical , and i dont know if this way of thinking would work, but if it does then the people who are smart enough to harness its power are either kept a secret or do not exist anymore.. because i definitly believe the ancients of the world all around had extensive knowledge of vibrations and how to control energies....

just my thought process of it all

You missed the point or I was not explaining it very well.

If you will a couch, and I will a path in the same time and place. Then which one will prevail? The one whos will is the strongest? will that then bend the reality of the other person to suite reality of the stronger will? Now that in itself would create another matrix, not one controlled by machines but one controlled by our selves.

Posted By mr_whitepholk on 25 Jun 2009 12:48 AM
ok im awake, and more on this from me.. as usual i like to delve into different areas of thinking and other types of news, ie; crptozoology and such. not to say i believe in it fully because i am always skeptical until i see or feel actual proof positve that something is exisiting. same thing with this subject.

i have came to 2 conclusions on this, one being the guy who came up with this idea of changing reality is extremely smart but not smart enough to fully grasp what he just stumbled upon, or he is just plain crazy in the head.

i cant call it... but some things i can do is present ideas on thie way i perceive it as my brain has... a few things i thought about are, if your blindfolded and fall asleep and moved to another place, anywhere, somewhere your not familiar with, then when you awake your will not be able to see, but you will be able to feel what is around you, therefore giving you an idea where you are at. if you try and pass a metal object thru a wall, be it brick or dry wall, you will either penetrate it easliy if its weak or have a struggle because its harder than the metal..

these are just two things i can come up with on this idea, i am not trying to debunk it in anyway , like i said i am always skeptical , and i dont know if this way of thinking would work, but if it does then the people who are smart enough to harness its power are either kept a secret or do not exist anymore.. because i definitly believe the ancients of the world all around had extensive knowledge of vibrations and how to control energies....

just my thought process of it all

BABY BOY.... "MEATY WHITE", WHY DO YOU THINK YOU MUST BE SMART TO ACCOMPLISH "CONTROL OVER YOUR STATE OF CONSCIOUSNESS"?

IT'S NOT ABOUT INTELLIGENCE...
BUT BELIEF!

Posted By Sabotage on 25 Jun 2009 02:20 AM
You missed the point or I was not explaining it very well.

If you will a couch, and I will a path in the same time and place. Then which one will prevail? The one whos will is the strongest? will that then bend the reality of the other person to suite reality of the stronger will? Now that in itself would create another matrix, not one controlled by machines but one controlled by our selves.

I didn't miss the point. I am trying to explain that if I convince you that your pathway runs into my couch... you will run into my couch. The other persons will is only bent because he bent it through being convinced he has no authority or power over someone else. it does not create a new matrix....

and machines do not create any matrix now. lol... The matrix is the illusion created by our own minds.

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See now that made no sense at all.

If the two people are willing two separate realities, they are then not avare of each other or the secondary existens that occupies that same space and time.
For your theory to work both individuals would have to aknowledge each others reality and what more they would have to be aware of each others will. How could one otherwise make the decission to submit to someone elses authority like that?

On a side noe, maybe you should watch the movies again. The machines did in fact create the matrix. By manipulating the human mind using what the brain would use anyway, namely electrical signals. Right in the first movie Mr. Anderson is explaining to Morpheus how the first matrix they created failed miserably. It was too perfect and the human mind refused to accept it.

Posted By Sabotage on 25 Jun 2009 03:05 PM
See now that made no sense at all.

If the two people are willing two separate realities, they are then not avare of each other or the secondary existens that occupies that same space and time.
For your theory to work both individuals would have to aknowledge each others reality and what more they would have to be aware of each others will. How could one otherwise make the decission to submit to someone elses authority like that?

On a side noe, maybe you should watch the movies again. The machines did in fact create the matrix. By manipulating the human mind using what the brain would use anyway, namely electrical signals. Right in the first movie Mr. Anderson is explaining to Morpheus how the first matrix they created failed miserably. It was too perfect and the human mind refused to accept it.

OK I SEE THE PROBLEM... You are basing your knowledge on THE MOVIE! I am not using any FACTS from the movie. I am speaking QUANTUM PHYSICS... Consciousness, perceived reality... NOT THE MOVIE. I am basing my info on what REAL SCIENCE has discovered. And you and I hav separate REALITIES... you live in your world and I live in mine... I am trying to CONVINCE you that YOUR COUCH Theory is XYM... You want me to believe YOUR COUCH theory is YMX...

Can you understand what I am saying?

Sorry I'm not convinced, the fact is the human brain is not advanced enough to make all of this up. Sure, we may interpret information in a way that is different to reality (for example red might be blue etc), however we are still interpreting information recieved by us, we are not creating that informaion

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Posted By Da Moose on 24 Jun 2009 12:39 PM
Ok, this was interesting, but heres the thing, its pretty much all based on an aspect of physics that we do not understand yet, and to say "we can not explain this, therefor it is not real" is a very big leap, and in order for it to work needs to have a lot of people telling it to us using big words and with 'epic' music in the background.

THERE IS NO EXPLANATION NEEDED FOR YOU TO LOOK AT YOUR SKIN AND SAY... "ITS WHITE" OR "BLACK". You just perceive it to be so. You also just perceive it to be solid... but, your skin/body is not solid. In fact NOTHING IS SOLID. everything has a vibration and the same atoms that make up you or a concrete wall are alike. AND... THEY ARE ALL MOVING AT DIFFERENT RATES OF SPEED OR FREQUENCIES!

The ancients understood that WE CONTROL OUR REALITY! YOUR reality is made up of your dreams, desires, fears, and what you are accepting from the thoughts and ideas of others; that you perceive as REAL.

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