At first I was pissed at the statement of Jazze Pha when he said in an interview that he trashes all his beats that take him longer than 10 minutes, but so more I think about it, so more it makes sense to me. All my beats that I find myself as hot and that others give me good feedback to, are beats I made in couple hours. Well sometimes a beat can take me 2 - 3 days but none of those beats I consider "hot" took me that long.

I always asked myself what the reason for that could be, first I thought I'm seeing it in the wrong way but now I believe my feelings towards improving my fastness in beatmaking were right. BECAUSE first off all when you do a beat quickly then you DON'T just fool around on the keyboard for 20 min until it sounds like something you "can work with", because when you do a beat quickly then you mostly have ideas in your head already, if not, then you gotta work on your creativity. When you got your first ideas down, then you just listen to the beat and the beat TELLS you what it needs, you just need to LISTEN and be fast with it, you hear in your head what you could add next, and THEN you just do it, WITHOUT any mixing of the stuff you already got, or tweaking a damn synth, or layering some drums.

Most importantly what this fast beatmaking gives you is FLOW! Flow is so important, if your ish does not flow then how the hell is a singer going to sing on it and VIBE to it? This is the part where I have to improve a lot, I started late with production when I was 19 years old in 2006, I had no musicial training or anything like that, and I'm not coming from a musicial family, so I'm not really the most musicial guy, BUT being musicial is to some part just talent that you get born with and to the other part it's skill that you can learn and improve. Ever wondered why some rappers start rapping and their lines sound robotic and off beat but when they keep at it they get over the years their own flow and are able to vibe to the beat, whereas others start rapping and it immediately flows? Well this is what I'm talking about, some have it already and others need to learn it. When I say some have it, then I don't mean "yes or no" I mean with that, that in my opinion everyone has already the POSSIBLE ABILITY to flow, some people are just more advanced from the beginning on, and other people are at the very bottom and need to start from the very beginning.

To come back to this fast beatmaking topic, I watched the three beatmaking videos from Mysto & Pizzi on th Neko, and the thing I noticed first is that they really generally choose their sounds real quick and lay their ideas real quick down, if I recall correclty on all beats it took them like 1 hour to lay everything down. Another thing I noticed is, on the two beats where they chose their sounds real quick and layed everything down real quick came out hot, whereas that one beat just came out ok, because they funked around with the sounds a bit too much, tweaked it, played around, experimented and just spent a lot of time in trying different sounds out, THUS the flow was gone.

So how can you lay down your ideas quickly and create or find your flow? One important thing is, being able to play the keys on a good level. Watch Pizzi, he's able to find qualitative and harmonizing melodies pretty fast, he playes on the keyboard for 1-2 minutes to the beat or drumloop and has immediately a melody he just takes.

Don't get me wrong I'm not a supporter of those "I made a beat in 7 minutes" people on YouTube. I still think creating orchestration and complicated piano melodies takes time. You can be relaxed while making a beat but you should watch out for your FLOW or it will be gone immediately. I was just working on a beat and I made a piano melody to it, at first I was liking it, then I took a break and listened to some skilled people on MySpace (it was some pop ish), I was like damn this ish flows nice the transition were so fluid I was amazed, so I went back to my project and wanted to continue, after hitting play I noticed that the beat sounded a bit robotic. That was for me reason enough to stop working on it, that means this one goes as well to my other x amount of unfinished projects. It can be frustrating when you work on a beat the whole day, you think it's hot, then you take a break, come back and you're all disappointed. And I think it definitely has to do with the flow. Because the question is why do you work on some beats for days and others you just finish in an hour? Maybe you're trying to fix problems in that one beat that takes you so long, maybe you don't have any ideas coming into your mind, maybe your instincs are telling your this beat is going nowhere so start a new one? But instead  you're trying to "rescue" the bad start of a beat to a good finished beat, which mostly won't work, remember you want to create top notch beats not just some "good" beats.

What I'm gonna do is: after I got the basics of my music theory down I'm reading "Idiot's Guide To Music Composition" (I've read already some books about basic chords ans scales), then I'll get a proper keyboard with some good keys, because the keys of this Cheapstation 49e suck, and then I'll practice, practice, practice - until I'm able to just improvise and let it flow.

Just trying to share with you some experience form musician to musician.

rocsta

yea me 2 lol all i read was the first 2 lines n then i stopped

Bruh, only because I said I'm reading that book doesn't mean that it's the only book I'm reading at the moment. Just for your information, I'm reading 4 books at the same time, without Microsoft OneNote I'd lose the overview, this program allows me to make categorized notes to every book. And only 2 of those 4 are music related, one is about the business side and the other is about composition.

And I find it very disrespectful that y'all chime in just to say that you didn't read it, I mean what is the point of that? If you don't want to read it then just stay the hell out of the thread. Obviously there are people that appreciate it, so leave the thread for those and go to your Lil Wayne threads and post your twenty 3 lines posts in one thread, cuz that's how you get your high post counts. I just wanted to do something positive, just wanted to give something back to the community, but y'all are all over it like some hyenas. Anyway thanks to those that at least appreciate some posts that have an other topic than how "gay Lil Wayne" is.

Don't wanna sound like a bitch, just keeping it real, I think this board had lately to many dumbish discussions, so several intellectual discussions and some philosophy couldn't hurt. If you think you're not ready for that then stay in your Lil Wayne threads and stay out of those threads with higher contents.

I'm just trying to get better and better, and I wanted to share what I found out about techniques how to get a flowing beat, we should be lifting us each other up and not bringing us down, just chiming in JUST to say you didn't read it has no point.

i may be wrong, but by 2nd do you mean me? coz if you do, i never said anything remotely like that, ever. get your facts right

Thanks man, but you're only 15 right? At you age I wasn't even able to post on english forums, I started learning english with 19 and it took me 1 and a half up to 2 years to be really able to communicate with people, so that I really understand the most of it. You say you're one of the starters, but you have a good starting point you're young and you have english skills, so you can still learn all that and read them books about business or music theory or anything else.

You gotta be open minded to everything and absorb everything what you see and hear, THOSE are the things y'all should be ANALYZING and NOT if Lil Wayne is gay or not. When I watched the Mysto & Pizzi videos I looked at every little thing, and I noticed so many things and one of them was this flow thing, I asked myself how come they make a better (in the sense of less robotic) beat in max 1 hour than I do in 1-2 days? But I am and was really refering to how the beats of those people (be it M&P or Jazze Pha) just flow whereas mines WHEN I work too long on it, just sound robotic but beats that I made in couple hours came out hot.

The same applies to rappers if you ask Jay-Z who has an amazing flow how long he needs for his texts he'll answer you with 10 to 15 minutes, this doesn't mean that lyrics have to suffer, if I remember correctly Eminem said that he needed something like20-30 min for The Way I Am, because the song was all about feelings and he let it just flow but there were also another couple minutes for making everything fit, the text and beat etc., maybe he needed 1 h for finishing everything, just telling that from the top of my head I saw that in an interview when The Way I Am came out years ago.

Ay, bruh. Get tha sand out ya pussy before it pearls. 1. Im just funking wit ya. 2. Dont assume that i've only read 1 book b/c i didnt (which doesnt really count for sh!t anyway...I mean who gives a funk.) 3. Dont you dare say sh!t about..o go post in your Lil Wayne threads....how many Lil Wayne threads are on here and how times did i post in each? DOnt try to act like u know me like that. I post in alot of threads on here. Thats how i got my high post count.... And i dont think i ever commented about if Lil Wayne is gay or not. Dont stereotype me nigga. 4. If this site has too many dumbsh!t discussions then stay outta the off topic forum and you post alot of the dumbsh!t threads. The pot calling the kettle black. 5. ummm, i dont appreciate threads with higher contents? Ok...I've been on this site for a lil while and alot of these "threads with higher contents has been posted three or four times already (not this 1 by the way). So when i find something useful that hasnt been posted 50 times i don reply. 6. I'd never bring u down, im just f*ckin wit you cause I did read it. The reason i didnt really reply about it is b/c i talked to you about this in the Chat already.