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17 Oct 2009 07:29 AM
Thanks for the kind words gentlemen...

Good point Fisha, as usual. It's funny though, I've been doing something "different" for so long now it's almost more natural for me to reach for a vst than play guitar or bass. The other day I did this collabo with Mr. Whitfield where I played live guitar versions of some midi files he wanted me to play and then he did this rough mix here:



Funny thing is that it took me longer to change my strings before recording this than to do it and honestly, it sounds much better than any of the hack keyboard guitar vst crap I been turning out lately (spending way more time than I would if I just did it on Bass or Guitar). I been thinking, why am I spending all this time doing things the "hard way"? Just for the sake of it? My point is sometimes it takes somebody else to point out what you do well for you to realize that instead of trying to "fix" yourself, maybee "do what you do" is the way to go.

Anyway I just wanted an excuse to post Whitfield's song that I came out of "guitar retirement" on by playing his parts. He's been helping me out with an idea I had for recording some guitar and bass loops to post up in the kits section (I don't know if anybody here uses loops, but...) thought I'd give him some love here. He did a good job IMO.
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18 Oct 2009 09:59 AM
i left my feed for that track... it was pretty dope... a.g.c.... when we gonna do a collab like that together? hit me up
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18 Oct 2009 10:05 AM
btw keep playin the guitar... dont swith over to the midi ish unless you doing other instruments lol
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18 Oct 2009 10:09 AM
what i mean is work around your advatages... not your disadvantages
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18 Oct 2009 10:21 AM
Posted By A.G.C. on 17 Oct 2009 07:29 AM
Thanks for the kind words gentlemen...

Good point Fisha, as usual. It's funny though, I've been doing something "different" for so long now it's almost more natural for me to reach for a vst than play guitar or bass. The other day I did this collabo with Mr. Whitfield where I played live guitar versions of some midi files he wanted me to play and then he did this rough mix here:

-=Rate My Beat=-

Funny thing is that it took me longer to change my strings before recording this than to do it and honestly, it sounds much better than any of the hack keyboard guitar vst crap I been turning out lately (spending way more time than I would if I just did it on Bass or Guitar). I been thinking, why am I spending all this time doing things the "hard way"? Just for the sake of it? My point is sometimes it takes somebody else to point out what you do well for you to realize that instead of trying to "fix" yourself, maybee "do what you do" is the way to go.

Anyway I just wanted an excuse to post Whitfield's song that I came out of "guitar retirement" on by playing his parts. He's been helping me out with an idea I had for recording some guitar and bass loops to post up in the kits section (I don't know if anybody here uses loops, but...) thought I'd give him some love here. He did a good job IMO.

You're damn raw on the guitar! In a positive way of course...that track was thight.
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18 Oct 2009 11:00 AM
labt3k, anytime you want me to play something just send me in a zip file:

1. A midi file of what you want me to play so I can get the exact notes.

2. A wav loop of the section you want me to play with just the guitar so I know what kind of tone your looking for.

3. A wav loop of the section with the guitar (or bass if that's what you want) so I can play along with it and get the timing as close as possible to what you want.

4. A wav loop of the section you want me to play on without the guitar (or bass if that's what you want) so I can improvise on it.

Mr. Whitfield used that download thingy that NFX was talking about DropBox so that I could get the files and sent me an email. If you got a lot of loops that might be better. I emailed him back a zip file in about a day.

Just pm me, you on my friends list so.. hit me up when you want it done. I am really thankful for all the help you've given me on my beats over the last 3 months or so. Thanks
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18 Oct 2009 11:01 AM
Oh, and thanks for the advice on the "doing what I do", this has been a really helpful post... great question "that guy with the soul"!  Um... about that name, is that kind of like the artist formally known as... cause it's long as hell!   Just asking. (lol)

Thanks AK, it was Whitfield's notes, I just played em' the best I could.  Back when I did it for a living that's pretty much all I did other than playing guitar solos and writing blues songs.
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18 Oct 2009 11:29 PM
lol u could just message me your yahoo or aim... or if u dont have those thats ok... ill just send you a loop of whatever and you can just improvise whatever you feel for it... then ill sequence it and pass it back so you can touch up where u have to and done... lol btw i think ive known you for like alot less that a whole year... but thanks anyway! lol


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19 Oct 2009 09:34 AM
wow... u guys keep the forums pretty cleaned up. i like that. sorry bout the triple lol... you can deduct the corresponding post counts from my post count. LOL
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19 Oct 2009 01:09 PM
i see alot of knowelege passed out in here, 2nd man definitly has a big point, and one that i completely overlooked too
i was doing exactly what he said, wake up, make breakfast, check mail/warbeats, make beats
guess im gonna have to get creative with it, climb up a mountain with some headphones, my mpc and a big battery and make beats all the way up there haha

and A.G.C. that guitar sounds pretty smooth ^^, where can i here some more of your stuff?
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19 Oct 2009 04:52 PM
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21 Oct 2009 03:07 PM
I don't have a lot of guitar stuff up on the internet as I been really focusing on getting my FL chops up for the last year or so. Everybody has been asking me to do more guitar ish so...

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I'm probably gonna make an effort to put more guitar and bass on the beats I put up here, I was kind of shocked at the lack of judgemental responses to be honest...

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27 Oct 2009 08:06 AM
I agree with what Sabotage said on the first page, and with AGC, you guys have so much knowledge lol.

SPE, I had the exact same thing when I was playing guitar (still had lessons I mean). It became so much of a routine that I lost the joy of playing. Now I haven't played for 3 or 4 months, and I cant wait till im able to play again, Im even learning musictheory, eventhough I hated that part when I still had lessons. I think, like Sab and AGC said, the most important thing is that you stay creative, not make it a routine and don't get into the whole 'I gotta be pro so this is what I have to do to sound like it' thing, Ive been there too, it sucks.

Btw AGC, that guitar track is tight. How did you record your guitarplaying on your pc/mac? I heard you need some sort of thing inbetween it.
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03 Nov 2009 10:37 AM
Posted By GrandPhantom on 27 Oct 2009 08:06 AM
I agree with what Sabotage said on the first page, and with AGC, you guys have so much knowledge lol.

SPE, I had the exact same thing when I was playing guitar (still had lessons I mean). It became so much of a routine that I lost the joy of playing. Now I haven't played for 3 or 4 months, and I cant wait till im able to play again, Im even learning musictheory, eventhough I hated that part when I still had lessons. I think, like Sab and AGC said, the most important thing is that you stay creative, not make it a routine and don't get into the whole 'I gotta be pro so this is what I have to do to sound like it' thing, Ive been there too, it sucks.

Btw AGC, that guitar track is tight. How did you record your guitarplaying on your pc/mac? I heard you need some sort of thing inbetween it.


Well the old track up there and the callabo is a Line 6  UX-1.  Lately I been using a Edirol UA-4FX.  The line 6 has a guitar input and a XLR mic input as well as outputs for my mixer and such. 

Same thing with the UA-4FX except it also has midi in and outs.  The timing when I record midi data is better with the Edirol cause the ASIO drivers are better (in Vista) so that's why I replaced the UX-1. 

Thing is the software for the Line 6 has a lot of effects that are really nice so I been using some free ones to emulate that stuff on my latest recordings. 

I'm using "guitar suite" (availible as a free download from KVR Audio) lately, the Marshall Amp emulation is pretty awesome as well as the Univibe and distortions.  Good freebies for making your guitar stuff more "real".  Even if your using samples.

I'm trying out guitar rig right now, don't have a final opinion yet but it looks like I'm gonna settle on Guitar Rig for guitar and Amplitube for bass with a Guitar Rig interface to control the effects like wah and such.  In other words I think I'm about to go completely digital in which case I will probably get the Sansamp bass pre-amp / D.I. cause it's the ish...  works for guitar too.  Gets rid of "grainy" digital tone.  At least where most non-guitarists can discern.  In fact I could probably plug one of those strait into a laptop mic input and fool most people with the "guitar suite".

So long story short I would get some type of audio interface that has 1/4 inch inputs and you'll probably be fine.  I never had any problem with any of them until Vista and now the UX-4FX is gonna work out until I can buy a copy of XP Pro and make my new laptop usable.  Might as well get something with XLR inputs in case you need to go mobile at some point and I like having the midi inputs on there too.  I like the Edirol pretty good but I have the Line 6 Gold bundle interface and the UX-1 and as far as guitar and bass... pretty good.

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03 Nov 2009 11:29 AM
Aight thanks for the reply AGC. Ill check that stuff out SP hooked me up with something called an Mbox2. I really would like to have a nice guitar sound, and that mbox seems quite nifty Its sort of a in-between-amp (guitar --> mbox --> laptop) with actual buttons and stuff on it. It also comes with Protools, which is -or so they say- the best software for making your guitar sounds sound awesome. Have you heard of all this? Opinions on it?
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03 Nov 2009 12:31 PM
^ the mbox is purchased mostly because of protools. and its one of the best programs out there to record stuff, mix and master.

keep in mind tho that you will also need guitar effect simulators to distort your guitar etc.
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11 Nov 2009 10:28 AM
Phantom:

Long story short => Mbox 2 is better than the Line 6 by leaps and bounds as far as an interface you'll be more than fine and you'll have protools which has some bundled vst effects so you can more than get the job done in this situation.

Short story lon=>

Mbox 2 is real nice... The mini would work for guitar too. I had to use protools in a class last year, it's pretty cool but there are certain tasks that are easier in other DAWs. FL for midi and drums, Acid for loops (some would say Ableton... ), Protools is the standard for "pro" level ish so if you wanna take your ish somewhere and have it mixed or mastered professionally then you should at least be familiar with it so you made a good chioce.

I usually use software for amp simulation/distorition/chorus/delay ect. As long as you got a 1/4 inch jack it is usually ok for recording guitar. The preamp is not as important for guitar and bass as it is for Microphones, just the impedance.

If you want a good preamp the Sans-Amp Bass D.I. is all you need. Gives a real "tube like" sound with a little compression... mmmm. Your not gonna find a good guitar or bass preamp like this in any of the sub 1K computer audio interfaces for guitar or bass period. Maybee not over either. If you want the best sub $200 pre-amp for guitar and bass plug this into whatever xlr input on the interface your using and your sound will be better than most right off the bat. Everyone I've ever turned on to this pedal loves it, if I hadn't "retired" a few years back and sold all my ish and went back to college I would still have mine (stupid, I shoulda known I'd be playing again).

It's the software that usually sets this kinda stuff apart and just like VSTs your not gonna find one that does every single sound well. I have all the line 6 software, I will probably end up with all the Guitar Rig and Amplitube software too cause they do different things well.

Guitar Rig is more like very good simulations of vintage gear. So for a lot of the stuff where I want a "traditional" sound that I can tweak it looks like Guitar Rig is the chioce. This is what I do more often than not. The problem is the Bass amp sims... skimpy on Guitar Rig.

Amplitube is more like sounds that are already tweaked for mixing and mastering and the effects presets are stylistically "correct" out of the box. Bass pre-amp, Amp and effects are off the chain. I want big in your face modern Amplitube sounds too but I can wait on that cause I know how to get close enough without presets to hold me over till the end of the year.

Each effect in the Mbox is a seperate effect so I don't think I would have too much problem with it but... I don't know a lot of guys using those effects exclusively like Guitar Rig or Amplitube but I'm sure It's as good as anything else out there... I can get good sounds with free ish like Guitar Suite I got from KVR audio so it's more about the software works together and I like the way the preset system works in Native Instrument stuff in general so beyond the sounds thats why I'm going that way first plus the interface they got is wicked with the wah pedal and all. I also like that you don't have to use the interface to use the software which means I can record clean and put in effects later. That was the secondary reason I decided to ditch the Line 6 stuff.


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11 Nov 2009 12:05 PM
somebody call an ambulance cause knowelege just got dropped.
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