its true that sex in music (specially music videos) has been becoming bigger and bigger.. and the problem is it works too

that track by Pitbull (i dont know the name of the song) that is showing on tv
all the song has are some samples from older trance/dance songs. and there really isnt that much to it
but the girls in the video make it stay on tv, and being on tv more means that most (dumb) people are gonna like it.

i dont know about that subliminal stuff tho xD

Posted By Joaquin on 28 Jul 2009 12:08 PM
seriously, let's stop talking about sex. I'm getting mad about some of the ridiculous things people are saying on this thread, and it's not the place to do it in. this is about music and beat making. let's keep it that way. If we can't, I hope a moderator locks this thread, because no good will come of it. I swear if someone else bangs on about the evils of sex I'm gonna have a few things to say, and I didn't come here to make enemies, but this crap has to stop

Oh come on you're ruining the fun . We may have come on hear because we "do" music but you see that's the beauty of the internet, we've found likeminded people and that's all the more reason to discuss everything and anything. It's the best thing about an internet forum. And of course no good will come of it but that doesn't mean we stop, we just enjoy it while it lasts.

Posted By Fisha on 28 Jul 2009 03:52 AM
You consider being gay to be unnatural? You can be a satanist it's just not advised. Why shouldn't gay couples be allowed to adopt children? And how is geography bullish? It states what's where and who's who are you suggesting there aren't 1.1 billion Indians and that the Grand Canyon isn't in the USA?

I'm not talking about that kind of geography.
I'm talking about geography and biology like "the world is 1230243950 million years old! " and "humans evolved from monkeys" when we are so different from monkeys...
And biology books are STILL full of "errors", things PROVEN WRONG like in the 50's - 60's

no evolutionist has ever claimed we evolved from monkeys. the claim is that monkeys and humans have common ancestors between them. the evidence for evolution is overwhelming

That's why they have the explicit content sticker...
No matter how you twist this topic about artists writing "inappropriate lyrics"...
Its your own fault if your kids are listening that music. That's just how it is.

Well the lyric is bust that "stick" no clit but I in no way think this music should be on the radio.. I just don't want to fully discuss it right now.

AK Beatz said it how it is. If you don't like the music on the radio,turn it off. If you don't like the MTV videos, switch the channel. If you're scared that you're children will be "corrupted", give them books to read and educate them. The world is the way it iswhether you like it or not, and none of us have the right to tell anyone else who to sleep with, what to listen to or what not to say in their music. All you have the right to do is quip yourself with knowledge so when you think Nelly's telling "go have a lap dance, it's cool", you can say "no thanks" Now let's kill this topic once and for all. There are so many other things to talk about, seriously

I get what your sayin Joaquin about this being a music forum...but were in the offtopic bit If you only wanna talk about music all the other forums are full of music only stuff lol. I'm not being rude or anything but you gotta expect if you come in the offtopic forum your prolly not gonna talk about music.

Back on the subject i guess if you educate your kids like mad then theres a chance they might say no. But as someone said before they are naturally interested in things they know, you don't want them to know (does that make sence?) So they will ask about sex, they will talk to their friends, and they will inevitably watch pron, listen to gangster rap, swear when they aren't around adults etc. etc.

Im not saying that its right either...but hey the worlds a tough place...if you keep your kid in a bubble his/her whole life then they gonna get a massive shock when everything finally hits em' lol. But i mean i was exposed to stuff i maybe shouldn't have been when i was younger and so far i'm turning out pretty okay

But i do think kids are growing up a lot faster nowdays...i mean just last week i was out with some friends at 12:30 at night and there were 6/7 year olds out on the streets! right mouthy lil f*ckers too!! XD haha. But i guess thats how it is...

Yea i agree with you on some areas like how people's creativity shouldn't be sensored or limited. That would mean that we would be communists... right? On that same note, we should still maintain some form of control over what goes mainstream, because when things go mainstream, they can and will get to your kids whether you want them to or not. It is not that bad right now, because kids can be exposed to everythin and anything thats out there now, and still be ok thanks to good parenting. BUT--- When do we say "STOP?" How far will we let this go on until people finally say, "ok this is getting a lil out of hand here?" Chances are that things will inevitabley get that bad before we do something about it. Im not trying to be a pessimist, but I dont think you want your children having sex at the age of 12, because things are heading that way. And im saying this assuming that there is no such thing as subliminal messages.

I'm sure we've all listened to M.O.P. I'm sure we've all seen the madonna and britney spears snog, and I'm sure we've all seen the Nelly videos with all th booty in your face and the lapdances, etc. Now let me ask you, after listening to M.O.P., how many of you thought "you know what, I'm gonna go funk someone up now"? Seriously. How many of lost your virginity after seeing the Nelly videos? Seriously.
You're massively overestimating how impressionable kids are. Seriously, stop this paranoia. You're never gonn change the world to fit your ideal perfect version. Thereb will be sex. There will be drugs. There will be greed. And because music is a form of expression, while those things exist, music will reflect that. Now if you're scared that simply because your kid sees something he's gonna emulate it, you're being paranoid. I hung around with dudes who smoked up for years. Pleanty of times I was offered, and time and time again I declined politely, cos I didn't wanna do it, no matter how much other people did. But let's say that I said yes. Why do you think that anyone else but me has the right to tell me not to? It doesn't matter if your 6 or 16,the choices you make are yours to make, and no one else's. As parents, your job is to give your children information so that they can make the best decision. My mum's a chain smoker, but she never said "don't smoke". In fact, she offered me, just to kill the curiosity, and I said no, just as I'd said no to my friends. She never told me "don't take drugs". Instead she told me "these are the effects of marijuana", "these are the effects of cocaine", etc. I had the information, and so I made the decision not to take them. Would I tell someone else "you can't take that"? No. That's not my right. They have the right to do whatever they want to themselves, even if it hurts them.
As for sex, if you think that just because children have sex at a young age somehow they'll fail morally for the rest of their lives, your're being very naive. For starters, saying things like "13 years olds shouldn't be having sex" is arbitrary. 13 is just the number of laps we've run around the sun. That's it. Once kids hit puberty, they start developing at different rates. I remember I had friends who'd had sex at 13 and 14, while I'd never kissed a girl at that age. Did they turn out to be funk-ups? No. Did I turn out better? No. Our bodies were ready for different things at different times, simple as that.
If you do think that a 13 year old having sex is terrible, educate them. But no one has the right to tell someone else what they can and can't say. We are born free, and if you think you have the right the impose your authority over the liberty of others, the onus is on you to prove why that's the case.
And one last thing, just because you ban something doesn't make the child any less curious. If anything, it works the opposite way. Did you know that when prohibition was introduced in the states, consumption of alcohol trebled? Now isn't that interesting. And guess what happened when the alcohol was legalized again... Consumption dropped

but all that said,I take your concerns seriously. I understand where you're coming from, I just think that
A) banning things will not make them less prevalent, and
B) no one has the right to impeech the liberties of others i so far as what they can and can't say, and what they can and can't do to their own bodies

OMG that part in pokerface really sounds like fukk her face lmfao!!

@ labt3k- censorship isn't (wasn't?) actually a part of communism but only came into it when dictators started trying to control everyone on the pretext of it being communism

Posted By Joaquin on 30 Jul 2009 10:27 AM
I'm sure we've all listened to M.O.P. I'm sure we've all seen the madonna and britney spears snog, and I'm sure we've all seen the Nelly videos with all th booty in your face and the lapdances, etc. Now let me ask you, after listening to M.O.P., how many of you thought "you know what, I'm gonna go funk someone up now"? Seriously. How many of lost your virginity after seeing the Nelly videos? Seriously.
You're massively overestimating how impressionable kids are. Seriously, stop this paranoia. You're never gonn change the world to fit your ideal perfect version. Thereb will be sex. There will be drugs. There will be greed. And because music is a form of expression, while those things exist, music will reflect that. Now if you're scared that simply because your kid sees something he's gonna emulate it, you're being paranoid. I hung around with dudes who smoked up for years. Pleanty of times I was offered, and time and time again I declined politely, cos I didn't wanna do it, no matter how much other people did. But let's say that I said yes. Why do you think that anyone else but me has the right to tell me not to? It doesn't matter if your 6 or 16,the choices you make are yours to make, and no one else's. As parents, your job is to give your children information so that they can make the best decision. My mum's a chain smoker, but she never said "don't smoke". In fact, she offered me, just to kill the curiosity, and I said no, just as I'd said no to my friends. She never told me "don't take drugs". Instead she told me "these are the effects of marijuana", "these are the effects of cocaine", etc. I had the information, and so I made the decision not to take them. Would I tell someone else "you can't take that"? No. That's not my right. They have the right to do whatever they want to themselves, even if it hurts them.
As for sex, if you think that just because children have sex at a young age somehow they'll fail morally for the rest of their lives, your're being very naive. For starters, saying things like "13 years olds shouldn't be having sex" is arbitrary. 13 is just the number of laps we've run around the sun. That's it. Once kids hit puberty, they start developing at different rates. I remember I had friends who'd had sex at 13 and 14, while I'd never kissed a girl at that age. Did they turn out to be funk-ups? No. Did I turn out better? No. Our bodies were ready for different things at different times, simple as that.
If you do think that a 13 year old having sex is terrible, educate them. But no one has the right to tell someone else what they can and can't say. We are born free, and if you think you have the right the impose your authority over the liberty of others, the onus is on you to prove why that's the case.
And one last thing, just because you ban something doesn't make the child any less curious. If anything, it works the opposite way. Did you know that when prohibition was introduced in the states, consumption of alcohol trebled? Now isn't that interesting. And guess what happened when the alcohol was legalized again... Consumption dropped

While most kids don't M.O.P and then want to go "funk someone up" it does put the concept there and will eventually influence people. I'm of quite a young age, most people on here would consider a kid, and I can vouch for the influence all this has on kids. And while kids don't hear a Nelly song and then go and lose there virginity they hear about stuff and, like I've said before, they go and look it up. How many people on here oneday got curious when they were younger and went and googled something "dirty" they heard about.
And while you are right, this isn't actually horrible, it's not ideal that kids are introduced to these concepts so young.

You say there are those kids who start having sex at 13 or a 14 and turn out fine but you have to remember there are also the ones who start having sex at 13 or 14 get taken advantage of, exposed to drugs and alchohol their body isn't ready for, get pregnant, have an abortion, go through phsycological trauma and take years to recover. Not a happy story. 

You are right about if you ban something children become more curious so that's where education plays a part. Education about what is and education about it being innapropriate.

And for what you say about smoking is more testiment to your strong will as opposed to that of the general population. I can tell you for a fact that many kids have taken up smoking just because there friends were doing it. They wouldn't have even thought about it otherwise.

Posted By Tankster on 30 Jul 2009 05:29 PM
OMG that part in pokerface really sounds like fukk her face lmfao!!

i told you... lol.   Fisha is makin some outstandin points here.

My 1 year of debating is coming in handy :p

i take all your points fisha. I know other people might succumb under peer pressure. But if despite your best efforts to inform your children, they still decide to do drugsand have sex, ultimately that's their choice. As a parent, you might decide to punish, and that's one thing. But the way this discussion is going, people are advocating censorship of expression. And just because the words of some may affect the choices that other make, does not make that choice illegitimate. Ultimately, the choices we make are ours, unless we are directly coerced. Music doesn'ty coerce, it only expresses ideas. You can take them or leave, but it's up to you. I don't like a lot of what Dead Prez say. But the liberty of all to say what they want must be uphelp, or else we will begin to fall down slippery slope into facism. Remember, if we don't like certain products, we don't have to buy them. The most powerful tool is information, so let's give kids the best information to make the best decisions. If after that they still make bad decisions, we'll just have to live with that I'm afraid. Better that than a facist state

sorry for the typos. my keyboard's rubbish

Oh blame the keyboard why don't you lol. Naa I see where you are getting your points from but we're not talking about censoring peoples expression we're just against the amount of sexual references etc all around us. You see we started this discussion talking about Lady Gaga and her disco stick. Now look at the song, I hardly think it's much of a musical masterpiece and the sexual innuendo is just there for the sake of sex sells. So in that case I hardly consider it much of an expression. If anything the song would gain integrity without it.

And I think you've got it wrong I have no doubt that with all the education in the world that kids will still have sex and do drugs but if they have that education they are much less likely to end up in trouble from it.

im not a fascist but i do believe there should be more control over what goes mainstream now a days. im not preaching the extreme, but sort of a happy middle area leaning more towards the conservative side... lol if that makes sense...

It makes perfect sense. You're just self contradictory. Naa it makes sense.