Marshall Oliver
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 | | 25 Jan 2007 05:57 AM |
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| Posted By rick_potter on 01/25/2007 5:50 AM
ok this is my thing ur gonna have a whole generation of rappers who there favorite artist is lil wayne and they dont even know who mobb deep is (pre g-unit)
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Duane Ball
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| | 25 Jan 2007 08:21 AM |
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since this topic was revived...i guess i'll give my two coppers...
hip hop is dead...there is no money to be made in hip hop...i mean would you buy some of the ish that comes out...everything is the same...you may say i'm the same too...but the difference is i don't need hip hop to pay the bills...haha...the excuse of people are downloading the cd's rather than buying them is not an excuse...my team nickelback are still flipping "All the Right Reasons" like hotcakes...it's just no one is really interested...and i people saying that the south slammed the casket door on hip hop is not true in my opinion...hell the south is the only region selling cd's...haha...the days of people rhyming like big , pac, throwback Jay, Nas, Big L, Big Dady Kane, QB Mob Deep...etc...are long gone...not because people are weak and white washed...but because their struggles were different from those of today...blah blah blah...i'm just ranting a bit...later.. | | most guys on here listen as producers...i listen as a rapper...haha...
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| | 25 Jan 2007 10:46 AM |
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| hip-hop isn't dead just because nas says it is. albums are selling well, there's hip-hop all over mtv and the radio. the east and west coast are really lacking right now from a mainstream point of view so the south is getting all the air time, and since some people think its too simple or just don't like that style they say hip-hop is dead. as a genre hip-hop is doing very well, just because you don't like the styles that are popular today doesn't mean that the whole genre is dead. remember mtv, the radio, and major releases aren't the only ways to listen to hip-hop. if you don't like the state of mainstream hip-hop then dig into more underground stuff. if this is dead then what would alive be? | | http://www.myspace.com/musicbySAL2K
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Pompey Productions
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| | 25 Jan 2007 10:51 AM |
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| and i feel the same way Enaud...the struggles are different so the stories are different.....
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like i said earlier....jeezy may use mostly adlibs and chants...but that's his delivery..and it works...and he's getting paid off of it....simple as that....the stories are different and he's a str8 punchline type of guy...how he relates one thing to another is what put him on the map...along with those adlibs...
as far as those guys that can't rap...i'll guess you were talking about maybe d4l or franchise....and you're right..their lyrics aren't all that...but they are making that money as well....i mean i can't say they aren't good b/c they are...look at the sales...and with the market now..it's not only cd sales...u got internet sales, ringtones...things of that nature....
lyric wise...maybe they aren't that good....business wise, they hit the industry where they needed to hit it.....
but people want to hear something different...and at this time...the drug industry is so mixed into the music industry that they have nothing else to talk about...but nobody wants to hear about those old struggles any more...at least not now...it's too depressing...but the thing is this...everyone is tired of hearing the same ol same ol as well....so the million dollar question is...WHAT IS IT THAT PEOPLE WANT TO HEAR?????
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| | 25 Jan 2007 10:52 AM |
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| good point ricky sal...
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Marshall Oliver
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| | 25 Jan 2007 12:44 PM |
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| Posted By Lil Buddy on 01/25/2007 10:51 AM
and i feel the same way Enaud...the struggles are different so the stories are different.....
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like i said earlier....jeezy may use mostly adlibs and chants...but that's his delivery..and it works...and he's getting paid off of it....simple as that....the stories are different and he's a str8 punchline type of guy...how he relates one thing to another is what put him on the map...along with those adlibs...
as far as those guys that can't rap...i'll guess you were talking about maybe d4l or franchise....and you're right..their lyrics aren't all that...but they are making that money as well....i mean i can't say they aren't good b/c they are...look at the sales...and with the market now..it's not only cd sales...u got internet sales, ringtones...things of that nature....
lyric wise...maybe they aren't that good....business wise, they hit the industry where they needed to hit it.....
but people want to hear something different...and at this time...the drug industry is so mixed into the music industry that they have nothing else to talk about...but nobody wants to hear about those old struggles any more...at least not now...it's too depressing...but the thing is this...everyone is tired of hearing the same ol same ol as well....so the million dollar question is...WHAT IS IT THAT PEOPLE WANT TO HEAR?????
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Well, ya see thats the problem. I am not saying they are not selling, ALL I AM SAYING IS THAT THE MUSIC IS BAD. Hip hop is hip hop not because of marketing tactics or really catchy sayings, cause if that were true then any type of pop music would aply. But since that is not the all about the record sales or the amount of air time on TV, then what is it about then. If you go by the standards of Lil Buddy's book of Hip hop, then hip hop is all about the money and fame. I dont know about ya'll, but I thought it was more than that, my mistake!!!!  | | | |
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Pompey Productions
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| | 25 Jan 2007 04:02 PM |
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| nah i'm not saying that's what hip hop is....
but hip hop is story telling basically....telling the struggle of what a person goes through and if the majority of people relate to it...then it's hot...
this day and age drug dealing is almost like an everyday thing....and THAT's why those guys are hot right now. b/c that's what they are talking about and most of the audience can relate...
i mean that's what it is...
you've still got folks like outkast, t.i., 8 ball and mjg, ugk doing their thing out here....but you're not gonna hear what's not gonna sell. like everybody else said, most of the "hip hop" as most people see it is underground...but you have a few, like t.i. and i'll even say lil wayne that can mainstream their style of music b/c of the delivery of their stories...that's it....
i don't have a book on hip hop, so i'm not saying what it is or what it isn't...but the music industry IS a business...and it's basically marketing a specific culture....and hip hop is a cultural thing.
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Marshall Oliver
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| | 25 Jan 2007 04:27 PM |
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| good for breaking that down for me. I know thats how it is cause it is a business. But sometimes I wish it wasnt ALWAYS business.
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Pompey Productions
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| | 25 Jan 2007 04:53 PM |
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| yeah i do feel you...if it was really about more about expression as it started out...you wouldn't hear this crap over and over again...
i mean, i won't sit down and listen to d4l or any of those guys in my spare time...but in the clubs dem niggas rock...da girls love da songs and we all LOVEEEEEEE when da girls love da songs....
but as far as buying their albums...hell no.....
i still pity the fools who bought young joc's album... 
but i feel you...i don't think the expression is gone...its just that people get tired of hearing the same thing expressed over and over again...hip hop started as a form of expression....just like dancing...poetry...and all that...but it was delivered different...that's what made it special....
but now that everyone is talking about the same thing..the delivery has to be SUPER EXTRAORDINARY for one to be placed in the limelight like that...that grimey yet cool delivery is in nowadays...
but i feel what you're saying...u don't have to be lyrically inclined anymore...
its a shame when you can say that "you sell dope" and the crowd will go bonkers....but dats how it is....
nobody is talking political anymore...and if they are talking political...they GOTTA get some production behind them...that's why hip hop is remaining underground....
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Marshall Oliver
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| | 25 Jan 2007 05:00 PM |
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| exactly, that is my point, thank you lil buddy, now your speaking my language!!!!!
wish more folk was more like you, able to see both sides of the story.
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Pompey Productions
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| | 25 Jan 2007 05:25 PM |
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| i try to stay open-minded to all ideas....i mean yeah you have the hip hop side and you have the business side...the thing is, all the "informing the community" stuff isn't making the money any more...everybody already knows....plus with the audience broadening, people don't want to really hear that...i mean look at how rap and r&b as a music genre has crossed the lines....
i mean, be fo real...how many black people are actually BUYING music??? i know i'm not..lol...but at the same time, i don't sit in my car and listen to anybody else either...i only like what i'm talking about right now 
so the message has HAD to change....if it didn't then the whole genre of music would have REALLY died...
but i definitely feel you...where's the talent now...and i think it's more BEHIND the scenes...with us guys....the producers...that's why i like the beat battles...u can "hear" the producer/beat maker "rapping, singing, performing" through his instruments...not just with words....and it gives different people different feelings about what they can relate to...they might feel something different than what the producer feels..and THAT brings about versatility....
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BangW
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| | 26 Jan 2007 08:06 AM |
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| Hip hop is definitely going through a phase right now....the south has got it!!! But true hip hop heads can't be mad at that because it's due time for us...yes us...because I'm from the DEEP SOUTH (Florida). But I love hip hop music of all styles from Dr. Dre to the old Bad Boy, Big Daddy Kane, Mobb Deep, the old Cash Money, New Money (Lil Wayne, Trick Daddy, Eminem, Pac etc. But we got to remember that music is a cycle and even through the so call real hip hop isn't in the main stream right now don't mean that it won't return. People just want to walk it out right now (LOL), but they are not walking out on hip hop. Down South we are some party people and I feel in hip hop one coast or one person can't domiant the game. We just need embrass all the forms of hip hop because in the end......it's all music.
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| | 18 Feb 2007 07:28 PM |
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| hi-hop isnt dead. it is dying though. THis is happening because 1) albums are starting to get wack. 2) all the old school rappers are trying to come back and their albums are wack! Look at diddy's new album and (im srry legends forgive me) NAS and Jay-Z they weren't that bad, however, many people had high expectations for those albums but they didn't reach it. And also the biggest reason of them all is tha 3) EVERY RAPPER IS BEEFIN WITH EVERYONE! GAMEIS BEEFIN WITH RASS KASS,50 IS BEEFIN WITH PUF,DIPSET IS BEEFIN WITH JAY-Z, NAS IS BEEFIN WITH JEEZY, LIL WAYNE IS BEEFIN WIT JAY-Z AND GILLIE DA KID! THIS SHOULDNT BE HAPPENIN! IF THIS BEEFIN AND RESPECT THING KEEPS GOING YES HIP-HOP WILL BE DEAD. I GIVER 3 YEARS  ! | | | |
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| | 18 Feb 2007 07:28 PM |
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| hi-hop isnt dead. it is dying though. THis is happening because 1) albums are starting to get wack. 2) all the old school rappers are trying to come back and their albums are wack! Look at diddy's new album and (im srry legends forgive me) NAS and Jay-Z they weren't that bad, however, many people had high expectations for those albums but they didn't reach it. And also the biggest reason of them all is tha 3) EVERY RAPPER IS BEEFIN WITH EVERYONE! GAMEIS BEEFIN WITH RASS KASS,50 IS BEEFIN WITH PUF,DIPSET IS BEEFIN WITH JAY-Z, NAS IS BEEFIN WITH JEEZY, LIL WAYNE IS BEEFIN WIT JAY-Z AND GILLIE DA KID! THIS SHOULDNT BE HAPPENIN! IF THIS BEEFIN AND RESPECT THING KEEPS GOING YES HIP-HOP WILL BE DEAD. I GIVER 3 YEARS ! | | | |
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bob sanchez
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| | 22 Feb 2007 05:11 PM |
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| What really burns at me today is the fact that the hip hop artists today have no idea what the culture is about. They distort the true image of hip hop. Most people are easily fooled by the people representing something as a whole. The new rappers out in the game now are not the definition of hip hop, nor the image. Also, the new Thug trend really destroys it. Its like to be a rapper you have to act so "hard". Most of the rappers right now aren't thugs or gangstas at all, they pose as them. Why? It sells. Basically nothing matters the record company besides sales. It isn't about the women, money, bling bling, or fame. Its about doing your own thang, just expressing yourself. You don't have to be black, kill somebody, get shot, sell dope, or any other cliches. The thug factor of the music really gets old. Its like rappers dont know how to talk about anything else besides weed, liquor, or hoes. This is what Nas means when he says "hip hop is dead". The industry is sagging. It may even be close to failing. But who knows, it may just be evolution. What deeply troubles me is when I have to hear the same recycled material over and over again. Unless someone makes a move soon, we aren't going anywhere with this. We must break down the boundaries, stop the cliches, and go back to what hip hop is truly about. Just express yourself. Evolution through revolution.
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bob sanchez
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| | 22 Feb 2007 05:11 PM |
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| What really burns at me today is the fact that the hip hop artists today have no idea what the culture is about. They distort the true image of hip hop. Most people are easily fooled by the people representing something as a whole. The new rappers out in the game now are not the definition of hip hop, nor the image. Also, the new Thug trend really destroys it. Its like to be a rapper you have to act so "hard". Most of the rappers right now aren't thugs or gangstas at all, they pose as them. Why? It sells. Basically nothing matters the record company besides sales. It isn't about the women, money, bling bling, or fame. Its about doing your own thang, just expressing yourself. You don't have to be black, kill somebody, get shot, sell dope, or any other cliches. The thug factor of the music really gets old. Its like rappers dont know how to talk about anything else besides weed, liquor, or hoes. This is what Nas means when he says "hip hop is dead". The industry is sagging. It may even be close to failing. But who knows, it may just be evolution. What deeply troubles me is when I have to hear the same recycled material over and over again. Unless someone makes a move soon, we aren't going anywhere with this. We must break down the boundaries, stop the cliches, and go back to what hip hop is truly about. Just express yourself. Evolution through revolution.
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PORT910
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| | 01 Mar 2007 03:56 PM |
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| IS THIS TOPIC DEAD OR JUST IN A COMA?
So what I'm trying to say is from a musical aspect for anybody to say that whatever they're doing in Florida is not Hip Hop or whatever they're doing in LA is not Hip Hop, who are these people to say that?
----Grandmaster Flash
I couldn't have said it any better. Some people just don't like what was tight back then, not to say its not tight now but in their eyes its not. I think that we who know about what hiphop actually IS (not WAS) to let it unfold by itself. The strory has just changed cause the time has changed but its the same structure and basis, at least for whats lyrical.
And yes hiphop is supposed to be about stories but there are more than one genre of story.
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Mr.G
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| | 01 Mar 2007 06:05 PM |
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| I have to correct you that mainstream bullish is not anything compared to Hyphy. Hyphy has been around for a quick min. Everyone is now just jumpin' on it because of E-40 showed it to the rest of the world. Go get you a Keak Da Sneak LP ish is real TOWN BIZZ. | | | |
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