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AK beatz
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Posted By Michel on 16 Aug 2009 11:10 AM
Dj Premier says it the best
check it out
http://www.5starhiphop.com/2009/08/dj-premier-interview-at-slaughterhouse-show-video/
wow...guru needs to get his ass up for that new gangstarr album. This ish would be banging hard. | |  | |
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Posted By AK beatz on 17 Aug 2009 05:16 AM
Posted By Michel on 16 Aug 2009 11:10 AM
Dj Premier says it the best
check it out
http://www.5starhiphop.com/2009/08/dj-premier-interview-at-slaughterhouse-show-video/
wow...guru needs to get his ass up for that new gangstarr album. This ish would be banging hard.
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| | 17 Aug 2009 12:48 PM |
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Posted By Tankster on 16 Aug 2009 02:14 PM
ow man SPE! please change your avatar...I always think you are 2nd Man!
word! I keep thinking its me. I'm like "i didnt know I replied in this thread  " | | AIM - The2ndMan2
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| | 17 Aug 2009 02:55 PM |
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| Sorry, my avatar wont change back -.- i tried like a million times.. i wanna get off it too.. even I think i'm second man sometimes 0o like ill read past one of my old post and go like ''wtf why is he repeating what i said?!'' and @ sab i only just read your previous post lol i know what you mean i only read the first post on the topic and replied cause i figured the thread would be full of ''funk mainstream'' ''no funk underground'' ''funk you underground 4 life'' and that kinda ignorance  but yeah i agree with ya totally on that one AND JUST TO MAKE THINGS CLEAR i'm an underground guy myself.  | | | **Hope for the best, Prepare for the worst.** | |
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AK beatz
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| | 18 Aug 2009 10:22 AM |
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Posted By 2nd Man on 17 Aug 2009 11:22 AM
Posted By AK beatz on 17 Aug 2009 05:16 AM
Posted By Michel on 16 Aug 2009 11:10 AM
Dj Premier says it the best
check it out
http://www.5starhiphop.com/2009/08/dj-premier-interview-at-slaughterhouse-show-video/
wow...guru needs to get his ass up for that new gangstarr album. This ish would be banging hard.
that ish is sad man...how the funk can guru turn the back on premo...they made history together...and now he's doing ish with that solar guy...you had the best producer in the world as your partner but you decide to make ish on your own? That's just dumb. In interviews he's talking about moving on and doing better ish now...how in the world can this be better than the stuff he did with premo...i don't get it man. | | | |
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Machine
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| | 19 Aug 2009 07:36 AM |
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| this is my personal 2 cents.
the reason everybody wants to go mainstream is because it offers more money up front.
i will bet you anything i have that if a souljah boy contest came up where you had to make him a beat and you won like a million dollars every soulkah boy hater would be the first ones enterting.
mainstream music offers more money up front.
but i think underground have the potential to make more money.
this is my hypothesis alone. <---------- sorry for the scinece word.
but look
and underground rapper makes his own beats.
he doesnt have to pay producers.
he makes his own grapics he doesnt have to pay desingers.
he has a fan base of 30 to fourty thousand people that will go out to see his shows and such and will accuataly purchase his mixtapes.
lets say he sells his mixtape for
8 dollars?
8 dollars times 30,000 people =240000
8 dollars times 40 thousand = 320000
now if he drops a mixtape lets say every 2 monthes.
our underground rapper can make more money than a signed artist.
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| | 19 Aug 2009 07:56 AM |
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Posted By Machine on 19 Aug 2009 07:36 AM
this is my personal 2 cents.
the reason everybody wants to go mainstream is because it offers more money up front.
i will bet you anything i have that if a souljah boy contest came up where you had to make him a beat and you won like a million dollars every soulkah boy hater would be the first ones enterting.
Actually, I just have to say something about this. I would enter, not with the purpose of getting the million, but for the chance to make souljah boy better. What better place to start than his tired ass beats? So really, that's a pretty bad example you made. | |  My SoundClick|My Myspace | |
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| | 19 Aug 2009 09:41 AM |
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| Machine, your math is somewhat flawed...
Underground rappers mostly don't make their own beats, they get/buy/trade favors for them.
They mostly do not make their own graphics, they get/buy/trade favors for them.
they mostly... You get the idea..
A independat artist can make a lot more money per record or a show then a mainstream major label one, this is true. However you will have a lot more on your plate than the creative process to consider. He will have to do all his managing, bookings, promotion, advertisement, contacts with printers, record presses, magazines, radio stations etc. He will have to pay money upfront for the cost of pressing vinyl/cd's and keep them at his crip untill he can move the merch. He will have to establish contacts in the local record shops to sell his music and do so himself on the streets, shows etc.
This is what people like Immortal Technique do. He knows a lot of people, he needs a studio, he gets studio time in exchange for dropping lyrics on someone elses joint (more time spent on doing other stuff than your own) and so and so on...
It works, but you don't see him dropping mixtapes every 2 months. Why? Because all of what I just typed.
Oh yeah, did I forget to mention, most also need to hold down a day job to pay rent untill money starts coming in. | | | |
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Jay Butcher
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| | 19 Aug 2009 10:23 AM |
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| Good music is good music period!
A dope beat is a dope beat no matter what genre!
Now the real debate is Rappers vs. MC's. LOL
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Machine
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| | 19 Aug 2009 04:35 PM |
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| i see what you mean sabatoge.
i never really thought of it like that man.
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Gavel
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Posted By Sabotage on 19 Aug 2009 09:41 AM
Machine, your math is somewhat flawed...
Underground rappers mostly don't make their own beats, they get/buy/trade favors for them.
They mostly do not make their own graphics, they get/buy/trade favors for them.
they mostly... You get the idea..
A independat artist can make a lot more money per record or a show then a mainstream major label one, this is true. However you will have a lot more on your plate than the creative process to consider. He will have to do all his managing, bookings, promotion, advertisement, contacts with printers, record presses, magazines, radio stations etc. He will have to pay money upfront for the cost of pressing vinyl/cd's and keep them at his crip untill he can move the merch. He will have to establish contacts in the local record shops to sell his music and do so himself on the streets, shows etc.
This is what people like Immortal Technique do. He knows a lot of people, he needs a studio, he gets studio time in exchange for dropping lyrics on someone elses joint (more time spent on doing other stuff than your own) and so and so on...
It works, but you don't see him dropping mixtapes every 2 months. Why? Because all of what I just typed.
Oh yeah, did I forget to mention, most also need to hold down a day job to pay rent untill money starts coming in.
All that said, would it be possible for an artist who's able to produce his own beats, put together his own graphics and own his own professional recording equipment (or at least be good enough friends with someone who owns recording equipment to get in on that for free) be able to make more money than most? I mean, those are a few key royalties he's avoided right off the bat.
On another note, which would you say makes more money, the producer or the MC? The producer is the one providing the MCs with the background for their songs as well as supplying them with a recording studio without having to pay for booking fees for shows or ordering merch and whatnot. However, the MC makes quite a lot from shows and merch as well as album sales. | | | My SoundClick|My Myspace | |
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| Generally, royalties will be split 50/50 if the producer and rapper are on a similar level. By that I mean jay-z and just blaze are gonna split 50/50, but just blaze is gonna take 70/30 off an up and comer. or jay-z is gonna take 80/20 off some1 like us.
but producers often also get paid a flat fee up front just for the record, and theyll take that whether the song places on an album or not.
but ofc it changes, if your just taking a beat off some1, itll be up front fee + some royalties, but if there producing, co-writing, playing instruments etc then there racking up the credits.
if your talking about overall, i would have thought rappers. producers get money from music and thats it, rappers get the publicity deals, tours (which tend to be the big money spinner now), merchandise etc etc | | AIM - The2ndMan2
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| Gavel yes... But keep in mind we are talking about getting more money per record sold. So yes if both of you sell 100 records the indy artist will earn more.
But that's not the case now is it. Mainstream sells millions, and as for indies they usually don't. This is not to say you could not, but it all boils down to what I wrote earlier. Independant people need to do all their publicity and distrubution by themselves. and to do that on a global level is not that easy. | | | |
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