ALL YALL ARE SAYIN THE SAME ISH
hes gettin money so you can respect him
theres also niggaz who lynch people for money also but that aint respected

and to too integrated
2pac isnt hip hop its gangtsa rap
nas is commercial as funk also only out for the cash
rakim is old school so thats out of the question
and 5' 9" was dope in his day but he also went commercial 

real hip hop is when you make beats for the love and take payment only when its given
not kissing asses of record execs and adding all this fluffy duffy filler ish just to go platinum
im down for the D.I.T.C. because i LOVE digging   thats just what i like to do
and if you dont like to dig in the crates you dont belong in hip hop     WHY? cuz hip hop was started by dj kool herc from taking the "break" of a record and "merry go rounding"(essentially looping) it
and b-boying and graff and MCing came after
Looping Records: Hip HoP
so basiclly if you dont dig your not a hip hop producer your just a regular rap producer
im not sayin every muthafunkin track has got to be entirely sampled
but if you have never laid a finger on a record or never smelt that beautiful smell of a phatty collec of old records you aint a hip hop producer- not even close- just a hustler
Awol One dats was up
2mex and Life Rexall dats was up
Castor Pollux and Ariano dats was up
Subtitle dats was up
Chali 2na dats was up
the wildchild dats was up
molemen dats was up
C Rayz Walz dats was up
lord quas and madlib dats was up

Um, no I don't think they did. Hip Hop survived Criss Cross (or whatever the funk they're name was) and it will survive soulja boy. In fact I would go as far as to say it will survive because of people like soulja boy. Some young kid is listening to soulja boy and gettin into hip hop who wouldn't have. He will learn the FL studio way and surpass us all cause he will realize what garbage he was listening to.

He will proabably "consolodate" all previous Hip Hop before him/her (didn't mean to be sexist) blow everyone's mind with the way his/her command of all that came before him and probably all things digital. Everyone will have to step up their game to stay current and therefore will not be able to rely on the west coast/east coast/ dirty south/crunk etc. subdivisions to hide their monochromatic beatmaking.

And then someone will come along and do something new and the cycle will start over. Been through it (the death of Hip Hop) a couple of times. Take heart. Soulja boy used a new independent way to hustle and hopefully the person after the person who crushes all the pretenders can use the internet to get heard over all the "refined" Old School Hip Hop.

No, people can molest Hip Hop but they cannot kill her, at least not in that way. In my opinion the only thing that will kill Hip Hop is when it becomes calcified, classified and confined. Then it will become an artform this is only played by young white republicans trying to show how it is to be done because that is the way it was shown to them in college. (It's starting already, the liberal colleges are classifying faster than the soulja boys are making wack beats.)

Step 1. get old record Step 2. Get MPC 60 IV (reissue to capitalize on the once cheap thing now in a deluxe model with extra retro features!) Step 3. ....

Then Hip Hop will become the Blues or Jazz or one of those other art forms that Urban folk left alone cause it got too expensive to do the stuff that was only possible if you had the talent to do something on a cheap "piece of crap". Once clapton played a strat and the price got bidded up that was the beggining of the end for the blues. Let's hope that don't happen to Hip Hop. But it will, just like it does to all "American Urban Art Forms". 

The only hope Hip Hop has to survive is that the computer programmers are probably going to keep it so there is never a "Vintage FL studio"  or "Vintage Reason" or whatever.  Price wars will  happen over and over and eventually USB turntables will come down and Sampling software will get better and new and better music controllers will pop up and hopefully because of this there will be a young person who has much more musical talent than soulja boy and hopefully as much business talent and will be able to overcome the din of medicore music.

Posted By hiphopjazzmusician on 25 Aug 2009 11:56 PM
ALL YALL ARE SAYIN THE SAME ISH
hes gettin money so you can respect him
theres also niggaz who lynch people for money also but that aint respected

and to too integrated
2pac isnt hip hop its gangtsa rap
nas is commercial as funk also only out for the cash
rakim is old school so thats out of the question
and 5' 9" was dope in his day but he also went commercial 

real hip hop is when you make beats for the love and take payment only when its given
not kissing asses of record execs and adding all this fluffy duffy filler ish just to go platinum
im down for the D.I.T.C. because i LOVE digging   thats just what i like to do
and if you dont like to dig in the crates you dont belong in hip hop     WHY? cuz hip hop was started by dj kool herc from taking the "break" of a record and "merry go rounding"(essentially looping) it
and b-boying and graff and MCing came after
Looping Records: Hip HoP
so basiclly if you dont dig your not a hip hop producer your just a regular rap producer
im not sayin every muthafunkin track has got to be entirely sampled
but if you have never laid a finger on a record or never smelt that beautiful smell of a phatty collec of old records you aint a hip hop producer- not even close- just a hustler
Awol One dats was up
2mex and Life Rexall dats was up
Castor Pollux and Ariano dats was up
Subtitle dats was up
Chali 2na dats was up
the wildchild dats was up
molemen dats was up
C Rayz Walz dats was up
lord quas and madlib dats was up

* Sigh *
Yes you are right... You are *so* right. Thank you for 'schooling' me..

Again, how is this thread still alive?

^ Hahahahaa..
Don't ask me.. I'm just an 'overly active' moderator XD...

Posted By hiphopjazzmusician on 25 Aug 2009 11:56 PM
and to too integrated
2pac isnt hip hop its gangtsa rap
nas is commercial as funk also only out for the cash
rakim is old school so thats out of the question
and 5' 9" was dope in his day but he also went commercial

Do you even know what hip-hop is? I mean, respect for naming heavy hitters like quas and chali, but other than that, it sounds like you just make your own rules up about hip-hop.

First, how is Rakim not hip-hop just because he's old school? Second, gangsta rap is a subgenre under hip-hop, so I don't know how you'd say something like that about Pac. Third, how are Nas and Royce commercial? I've never even heard any of their songs on the radio. Just because an artist isn't popular doesn't mean they're not hip-hop. Don't you want your favorite artists getting big so they get they're word out there?

^ One word of advice.. Leave the nigg jazzmusician be ..
It ain't worthed.. You'll see ..

Completely agree with you reply though ..

Lol, I was never one to let stupid run free.

No lyin, your niggas’ jeans too tight
Your colors too bright, your voice too light
I might wear black four years straight,
I might bring back Versace shades,

HIP HOP N RAP SOLD OUT
Now we got f*ggz like Oj da juiceman sounding like a rapper widout balls
n suckers like soulja boy n all dem others Wid their wack ass swag surfin sh*t

no dissrespect to Zaytoven But iprefer 80,s N 90,s SOUL,FUNK,G FUNK AND RAP
Cuz that whas music with a message with sence,with passion,

im 17 myself and i got people off my age thinking im funked up cuz i like me sum isaac hayes or ilsey brothers
or stevie wonder or George clinton....

AND I TRY ALL MUSIC GENRE,s soul funk g funk Old school east coast beats southern soul tracks like UGKetc....
aswell as Trap beats what ever it is as ethnic beats and CLub beats

never the less music from 80,s n 90,s stays my fav music

AND AL YOU WACK ASS SWAGG SURFIN CRANK DAT YUAAAAA SOULJA BOY ********,s
THX ONCE AGAIN FOR KILLING HIP HOP the realest down south whas UGK....Real talk

(Ive typed it fast so ma bad if its kinda strange i have to do something real quik and i wanted to share my toughts on this topic 2 xD )

G'd up, it's the same for me. I'm 17 too, but my friends rip on me sometimes because I listen to the music their parents listen to, lol. That and artists they've never heard of. I try to get my friends into underground but they're usual excuse is that they don't have time to search around on the internet for that stuff. Though, I my brother's 11 and I got him listening to Atmosphere and AOTP

Really people rip on you because you listen to old music? All my mates can sing every song from Queens greatest hits (1 and 2) can list all the beatles albums and can give you a fact about The Doors that you never knew. Everyone listens to as much old music as new stuff.

Well you gotta realize that the world of mainstream hip-hop is a lot different than the world of rock. People think a song's old if it's been out for only a couple months.

^the world of mainstream hip hop yeah, but other then that all hip hop is timeless.. in fact, all music is timeless

and i've asked the question twice and noone seemed to know why, so i'm gonna go ahead and smack this bitch up

*Topic Locked*

Posted By Gavel on 28 Aug 2009 09:34 PM
Well you gotta realize that the world of mainstream hip-hop is a lot different than the world of rock. People think a song's old if it's been out for only a couple months.

Yeh I've noticed. Is there any actual reson why? Don't people realise a good song stays a good song? Just wondering, do they listen to things other then hip hop?

SPE, I think you missed the lock button. To answer your question, I guess people just really feel like getting their two cents into the matter is all.

And Fisha, we live in a fickle time. People have extremely low attention spans. It's amazing, people who listen to the radio go on about how a certain song is their favorite in the world. Yet if they here it a couple times, they hate it. Which makes me wonder, how can you call something your favorite if you get annoyed by it after a couple plays? If there was a song on the radio I loved and the radio played it pretty much every other song, I'd be happy. A lot of times if I'd listen to my iPod (before the stupid thing broke :/) and I'd have it on shuffle, if it landed on a song I really liked, I'd replay it over and over again almost to the point where I can recite the lyrics without ever having to look them up.

^ Repeat on the Ipod is tha ishhh ^.^
I always have one song on Repeat for two or three days straight when I like it and just got it, before ever listening to another song... =]

mayne hip hop grew so fast and it explode like a balloon in many many many many little pieces. look at all the "subgenres" of hip hop. Nowadays you cant even tell what real hip hop is. but yea i gotta agree with gd up (how hip hop started and ish)