wen it comes to soulja boy, u gotta respect his hustle, to make a beat usin the stock sounds on fl-7 demo, then puttin it on youtube to get millions of views and then a deal. thats some genius ish. but when it comes to his ablity as a rapper/producer, he can eat a bag of ish, i know 12 yr olds that will murder soulja boy in a battle with there eyes close. and jus about every producer on here is better than him. people with real talent can't get there break cuz of people like soulja boy. as far as hip hop bein dead and needin a rebirth. all i got to say is that drake is killin the game right now,

leader of the new school its proven and its know, im sittin in a chair but in the future its a throne, its only ben three yrs look at how ive grown -DRAKE THE CALM-

I believe he is what hiphop has needed 4 a while

Drake is very good indeed.. I download all his mixtapes... He is a beast..

If ya'all like Drake, ya'all should like J.Cole Better

The Reason why so many people hate souljah boy is probably because he is being successful off nothing. So many people are starving just trying to make it. and than you got this 17 yr old kid coming out of no where flashing money around.

But souljah boy has never claimed to hip hop has he?

i mean i don't like the guys music. but i believe that he is pop. im not sure.

soulja boy has his own genre, and its called crap hop

another problem i think he has.
he was never hunrgy.

when an artist is hungry they come out with classics.

perfect example get rich or die trying.
Classic idc what anybody says.

like he was never rocky hungry

50, it's kinda hard to say positive ish about him, i miss the old 50, the 50 on get rich or die tryin, the massacre, and beg for mercy, 50 fell off from his spot and became the rap bully

"no, no here is a missconception in my opinion. I'm not hating on Soulja Boy or Hurricane Chris or any newcomer. They are trying to do their thang. Music is entertainment not poetry..the lyrics matter less it's all about the sound. Actually, Soulja Boy revolutioned hip-hop by bringin in the snap dances. Hip-hop should always get a fresh breath, people to come and bring something new in it.
Think at the 'crank dat' beat structure..Who would had usen Jamaican Steeldrums with Orchestral Hits till now? Something new and catchy is always welcomed.
Pz, CRuNk"

Dem Franchise Boys started snap music, and soulja boy is continuing what they did, and Ludacris used Orchestral hits b4 Soulja , His song Money Maker did
so hes not revolutionizing hip hop

no one is disputing crank dat, that was an revolutionary song, it's every song after crank dat that makes me not like soulja boy and most new rappers today, and your crazy for sayin that lyrics didn't matter, if they didn't matter then we wouldn't need rappers. we need rappers like jeezy, jay-z, kanye, etc that rap about real ish, people that rap about the struggle, to get the voice of those not heard out. soulja boy says alot of words but they don't mean anything. he isn't real hiphop, he's better off bein a pop star that raps

taking nothing and making it into something...hmm...can't hate on that...

soulja boy's music is POP...its ENTERTAINMENT...soulja boy did what he had to do...he got a fanbase (kids 19 and younger) and hit em hard...gave them a dance they ALL could do...wore some outrageous stuff...and BAM...there you go...

so now you got this guy who is marketable to the next generation of music listeners no matter WHAT...that crank dat is their ELECTRIC SLIDE...

think about the lyrics to that song....hmmm....

the PROBLEM is, folks can't take it for what it is and leave it at that... i agree with the statement earlier about folks being mad cause he made it without drive or without having real talent...but maybe his talent wasn't music..but being a person who has a knack for knowing what the people want...
and thats why he "got a question why they hatin on me?"

soulja boi is gettin money who cares what he puts out if u dont like it then dont listen to it. me personally i dont funk with soulja boi or bow wow smh.

maybe souljaboy isn't street in his tracks but he's rich.
i respect him for that, he make his money.

Posted By dade county productions on 12 Aug 2009 01:36 PM
no one is disputing crank dat, that was an revolutionary song

What? Crank dat wasn't revolutionary. It was just another club song only this time the dude decided to center it around his love for jizzing on blankets and sticking them to chicks backs while they sleep because they don't give him any play. The dance is overhyped, too. Anyone can make a hot new dance by mashing together a couple random movements, I guess.

Posted By rimshotbeatz on 26 Jul 2009 03:50 AM
no, no here is a missconception in my opinion. I'm not hating on Soulja Boy or Hurricane Chris or any newcomer. They are trying to do their thang. Music is entertainment not poetry..the lyrics matter less it's all about the sound. Actually, Soulja Boy revolutioned hip-hop by bringin in the snap dances. Hip-hop should always get a fresh breath, people to come and bring something new in it.
Think at the 'crank dat' beat structure..Who would had usen Jamaican Steeldrums with Orchestral Hits till now? Something new and catchy is always welcomed.
Pz, CRuNk

People have been using steel drums and orchestral hits since the dawn of hip-hop. That same orchestral hit Soulja Boy used has been used in plenty other songs before it. And remember "Money is my Bitch" by Nas or "Wamp Wamp" by Clipse? Both had steel drums in it. Soulja Boy didn't revolutionize anything with hip-hop. As far as any of us are concerned, he's not even hip-hop. He just went with the crowd and got lucky enough to get big. And by the way, I think everyone in this thread should stop using the "yo stop hatin, if you think he killin hip-hop why don't you stop complainin and get out there and try ta save it" line because it's a really stupid thing to say on a site like this. What do you think most of us are doing on a site devoted to helping people learn hip-hop production skills? Unless you're blind or some sh!t and forgot what this site was for.

how is this thread still alive?

I don't know but I'm bout to make a really stupid song and a dance and see how far that gets me.

Posted By Gavel on 18 Aug 2009 07:32 PM

Posted By dade county productions on 12 Aug 2009 01:36 PM
no one is disputing crank dat, that was an revolutionary song

What? Crank dat wasn't revolutionary. It was just another club song only this time the dude decided to center it around his love for jizzing on blankets and sticking them to chicks backs while they sleep because they don't give him any play. The dance is overhyped, too. Anyone can make a hot new dance by mashing together a couple random movements, I guess.

Posted By rimshotbeatz on 26 Jul 2009 03:50 AM
no, no here is a missconception in my opinion. I'm not hating on Soulja Boy or Hurricane Chris or any newcomer. They are trying to do their thang. Music is entertainment not poetry..the lyrics matter less it's all about the sound. Actually, Soulja Boy revolutioned hip-hop by bringin in the snap dances. Hip-hop should always get a fresh breath, people to come and bring something new in it.
Think at the 'crank dat' beat structure..Who would had usen Jamaican Steeldrums with Orchestral Hits till now? Something new and catchy is always welcomed.
Pz, CRuNk

People have been using steel drums and orchestral hits since the dawn of hip-hop. That same orchestral hit Soulja Boy used has been used in plenty other songs before it. And remember "Money is my Bitch" by Nas or "Wamp Wamp" by Clipse? Both had steel drums in it. Soulja Boy didn't revolutionize anything with hip-hop. As far as any of us are concerned, he's not even hip-hop. He just went with the crowd and got lucky enough to get big. And by the way, I think everyone in this thread should stop using the "yo stop hatin, if you think he killin hip-hop why don't you stop complainin and get out there and try ta save it" line because it's a really stupid thing to say on a site like this. What do you think most of us are doing on a site devoted to helping people learn hip-hop production skills? Unless you're blind or some sh!t and forgot what this site was for.

What you are sayin' is absolutely flawed in every way..
Souljah boy is just hustlin' and grindin' and makin' his cash..
That's the main reason not to hate on him.. The music he makes *is* hiphop, but most cats forget that the mainstream hiphop is *entertainment* amongst other things.. Souljah Boy has a certain 'audience' and gives them wat they want, cuzz he is succesfull.. Well as you said yourself Soulja Boy is doin' nothin' new.. The so-called snap-music is not new that is true.. So why exactly is err'body hatin' on him.. Ice-T calls him out.. Was not neccessary.. Souljah Boy is just makin' music for his 'audience'..

The thing that just pisses me off (alot) is that the people that always label something as 'real hip-hop' or 'garbage' are so-called 'real hiphop heads' just because they listen to alot of Nas or alot of 2pac or Rakim or Royce or whatever...
What give people like you the right to say what something is and what not..

Imma tell u straight.. I'm a new school Kid all the way.. I respect the old music and the old cats for what they have done and started and still continue to do, but my heart lies in new school music.. I don't listen to old skool tracks that often.. Maybe 5% of my music library are old tracks.. and err'time a nigg makes it in da bizz I'm happy for him whether I like his tracks or not..

Bottom Line everybody just hates Soulja Boy because his music seems simple and flat.. But I dare you to make some snap music and listen to it closely.. The snap genre is MUCH more difficult to make than you could ever imagine.. There are ALOT of hiden production details in snap-music beats. Regarding the dances he makes.. Same story.. but try to make one that half of america would copy cuzz they think is dope..

and for the record.. Souljah boy did his part of hustlin' to get where he is right now.. For that ALONE you should respect him..

Posted By TooIntegrated on 21 Aug 2009 07:14 AM

Posted By Gavel on 18 Aug 2009 07:32 PM

Posted By dade county productions on 12 Aug 2009 01:36 PM
no one is disputing crank dat, that was an revolutionary song

What? Crank dat wasn't revolutionary. It was just another club song only this time the dude decided to center it around his love for jizzing on blankets and sticking them to chicks backs while they sleep because they don't give him any play. The dance is overhyped, too. Anyone can make a hot new dance by mashing together a couple random movements, I guess.

Posted By rimshotbeatz on 26 Jul 2009 03:50 AM
no, no here is a missconception in my opinion. I'm not hating on Soulja Boy or Hurricane Chris or any newcomer. They are trying to do their thang. Music is entertainment not poetry..the lyrics matter less it's all about the sound. Actually, Soulja Boy revolutioned hip-hop by bringin in the snap dances. Hip-hop should always get a fresh breath, people to come and bring something new in it.
Think at the 'crank dat' beat structure..Who would had usen Jamaican Steeldrums with Orchestral Hits till now? Something new and catchy is always welcomed.
Pz, CRuNk

People have been using steel drums and orchestral hits since the dawn of hip-hop. That same orchestral hit Soulja Boy used has been used in plenty other songs before it. And remember "Money is my Bitch" by Nas or "Wamp Wamp" by Clipse? Both had steel drums in it. Soulja Boy didn't revolutionize anything with hip-hop. As far as any of us are concerned, he's not even hip-hop. He just went with the crowd and got lucky enough to get big. And by the way, I think everyone in this thread should stop using the "yo stop hatin, if you think he killin hip-hop why don't you stop complainin and get out there and try ta save it" line because it's a really stupid thing to say on a site like this. What do you think most of us are doing on a site devoted to helping people learn hip-hop production skills? Unless you're blind or some sh!t and forgot what this site was for.

What you are sayin' is absolutely flawed in every way..
Souljah boy is just hustlin' and grindin' and makin' his cash..
That's the main reason not to hate on him.. The music he makes *is* hiphop, but most cats forget that the mainstream hiphop is *entertainment* amongst other things.. Souljah Boy has a certain 'audience' and gives them wat they want, cuzz he is succesfull.. Well as you said yourself Soulja Boy is doin' nothin' new.. The so-called snap-music is not new that is true.. So why exactly is err'body hatin' on him.. Ice-T calls him out.. Was not neccessary.. Souljah Boy is just makin' music for his 'audience'..

The thing that just pisses me off (alot) is that the people that always label something as 'real hip-hop' or 'garbage' are so-called 'real hiphop heads' just because they listen to alot of Nas or alot of 2pac or Rakim or Royce or whatever...
What give people like you the right to say what something is and what not..

Imma tell u straight.. I'm a new school Kid all the way.. I respect the old music and the old cats for what they have done and started and still continue to do, but my heart lies in new school music.. I don't listen to old skool tracks that often.. Maybe 5% of my music library are old tracks.. and err'time a nigg makes it in da bizz I'm happy for him whether I like his tracks or not..

Bottom Line everybody just hates Soulja Boy because his music seems simple and flat.. But I dare you to make some snap music and listen to it closely.. The snap genre is MUCH more difficult to make than you could ever imagine.. There are ALOT of hiden production details in snap-music beats. Regarding the dances he makes.. Same story.. but try to make one that half of america would copy cuzz they think is dope..

and for the record.. Souljah boy did his part of hustlin' to get where he is right now.. For that ALONE you should respect him..

How is that the main reason I shouldn't hate him? Just because someone goes out and does their own thing and makes money for it, I should love them? Hitler put his all into what he did. Does that mean I should love him too? That's the thing about you new school kids. Any time someone has an opinion against someone you dislike, they're labeled as a hater and you're only defense against it is to tell someone to walk a mile in their shoes. Who are you to decide the reasons why I don't like Souljah Boy? You people make him out as if he's some kind of victim or some sh!t. I don't like Souljah Boy because of his cocky attitude and because he puts out ish left and right. I hate the direction he's taking hip-hop in. As if it wasn't bad enough people look on hip-hop listeners as a bunch of hoodlums with no aim in life, people like SB come in make this genre look like the easiest thing to get into because this kid got rich off of someone else's rhymes using stock samples in a demo software while many of us are here on sites like this trying to make a name for ourselves by putting effort into what we do (notice how I said "people like SB" because apparently you think I'm singling him out"). But my beef isn't with SB. It's with the people who actually eat his sh!t up and fuel him to make the same crap he got rich off of before. It seems like you think I'm only crackin on SB, as if he was the only one to father this snap crap that you here all the time on the radio. I dislike all of them: Weezy, Hurricane Chris, SB, etc. Now that's not to say my opinion wouldn't change of them if they tried something new, but most of these snap crap types are always the same in that sense: they do one song that sounds inspirational to get the general media off their backs then go right back to the snap crap. What startles me the most is that you think snap crap is actually difficult. You actually think SB had more trouble putting together that sh!tty Crank Dat dance than, say, a b-boy would with have? You think it was easier to produce Kiss Me Through The Phone than any Marco Polo track? How is snap crap difficult? Anyone could put a few 808 kicks and a clap sample together and come up with SB's next hit single. Don't get me wrong, I like a song you can step to, but the way the genre's going nowadays, you might as well be playing the same song over and over again in the club and no one would notice. There's really nothing that differentiates the snap crap genre, so how can you sit there and tell me there's a level of difficulty in it? My point is, Soulja Boy, New Boyz, Weezy, all of them, I have a problem with them because of their following and because of what they're turning hip-hop and it's followers into. I agree with you on the business of "real hip-hop", but the cocky new schoolers who come in with sh!t talking about how this is 2009 and all that bullsh!t just makes them sound ignorant and doesn't really help their case infront of the oldschoolers/underground dwellers.

Right, I been thinking bout this. And to clear things up, I am a hip-hop head, I also quite like kid cudi, drake etc. I dont like soulja boi and flo rida, but I understand its place in music and why people like it.

This is how it is, its tables and chairs. Lets call hip-hop chairs, we are chair makers. Now people like soulja boi are tables, tables are pop music.
We have no hate for tables, tables are great. The problem lies in people calling tables chairs. Yes, your creation has 4 legs, it is made of wood and is intended for the living room, BUT IT AINT A CHAIR. Yes you used 808s, yes you have bling culture and you classify yourself as hip-hop, but its pop, plain and simple.
And people get so angry, because those in the know know that there tables, and we still have cairs. But the mainstream is now going "huh, I thought that was a table, but apparently thats a chair, that must be what chairs are like nowadays" And this is what gavel is talking about with the direction there taking hip-hop.
As said before, we chair makers have no hate for tables. The tables you make are very very good tables, and theres place (nay, there is NEED) for both chairs and tables, just don't confuse the 2.

(offtopic, I like weezy)

Okay okay.. We're gettin' somewhere ..

I will get back to you guys on this...

stay tuned..

Posted By 2nd Man on 22 Aug 2009 12:10 AM
Right, I been thinking bout this. And to clear things up, I am a hip-hop head, I also quite like kid cudi, drake etc. I dont like soulja boi and flo rida, but I understand its place in music and why people like it.

This is how it is, its tables and chairs. Lets call hip-hop chairs, we are chair makers. Now people like soulja boi are tables, tables are pop music.
We have no hate for tables, tables are great. The problem lies in people calling tables chairs. Yes, your creation has 4 legs, it is made of wood and is intended for the living room, BUT IT AINT A CHAIR. Yes you used 808s, yes you have bling culture and you classify yourself as hip-hop, but its pop, plain and simple.
And people get so angry, because those in the know know that there tables, and we still have cairs. But the mainstream is now going "huh, I thought that was a table, but apparently thats a chair, that must be what chairs are like nowadays" And this is what gavel is talking about with the direction there taking hip-hop.
As said before, we chair makers have no hate for tables. The tables you make are very very good tables, and theres place (nay, there is NEED) for both chairs and tables, just don't confuse the 2.

(offtopic, I like weezy)

Actually, you're pretty much right. And a good perspective to be put into for both sides. I don't think there's any need to argue any more now. Oh and I like Drake and Cudi, too. And I used to like Weezy, especially his mixtapes. I just think he sold himself out too much lately. He's a bit of a 50 Cent case, for me.