Posted By A.G.C. on 16 Oct 2009 09:32 AM
Pop culture in general is exploitive, that's a different thing than Hip Hop culture or Rap culture or Rock and Roll culture. I listen to Steve Vai all the time, I don't hear any degrading of women. I just think prejudice is an ugly thing in general. Music is just music, some people (in all styles) make music that is geared toward lifting people up, some people (in all styles) are desparate MFs trying to make a quick buck and will say/do anything to do so. It happens in all forms of music, some people are doing it for the wrong reason. But that's everything, I met car salesmen that I found to be honest and trustworthy.

What's really silly about the whole thing is that if you go back to Willie Dixon, Howlin' Wolf and Muddy Waters ect. rock and roll and hip hop are "1st cousins" at most (if you follow the "geneology" so to speak)

I find most people who make statements like that to be rather ignorant. I don't argue with children when they tell me Santa Claus exists, I don't argue with people who believe that "race" (a completely made up bunch of catagories meant to exploit people) exists and I don't argue with people who don't even know what the technical elements of the music they listen to is comprised of.

I also don't argue with somebody about the definition of producer (which I would argue is what Clive Davis/Simon Cowell does and NOT what say RZA does if you follow the "classic" definition of the word. Of course guys like George Martin of the Beatles and Babyface redifined the role of the "producer" but a producer "back in the day" a producer was the liason between the label and the artist, the guy who called up composers and musicians and engineers to work with an artist not the guy who did each of those things.

I think the record labels have asked too much of people and the quality of music as a whole has suffered. I think when you look at music from periods when the music business is good there is a division of labor that allows people to do what they do best.

Nowadays your almost expected to own your own label, perform A & R duties, arrange, compose, play instruments, mix .... I think it's possible that one person can do all this but... how often does Dre put out an album? It's a lot to "expect" from one person. Especially when that person ain't getting paid the combined salaries of all those job titles. When people say Dre makes 100k for a beat, he's getting paid for a lot more than "producing" in my opinion.

very good post man

I listen to rock mostly but I would never say hip hop is not music there is a lot of really good hip hop with a message out there I like mos def and atmosphere stuff like that but there is some stuff on the radio that is really lame in my opinion just not for me seams people hear a few songs of a style and make up there mind on every song in that style based on the few they heard sucks for them they are missing a lot of great stuff

Ofcourse hiphop is music. Just because producers do not always use analog instruments, doesnt mean it aint music. People who hate on hiphop usually listen to what the masses listen to. And being part of the whole popmusic thing, where its all about money and 'perfection' - which is ironic, cuz those so called popstars barely have talent and sometimes cant sing at all -, sucks in my opinion. Those are the people who say hiphop sucks. They just don't understand how awesome it is

"Don´t believe the Hype!"
Why do people still bother getting all fuelled up and angry over such nonsense as "Is this real music"?

whats really bothering me atm is people who like the odd hip-hop song (not hating on that) but describe them as the same song as another, or a cover of the original sample.
NO, JUST NO

What people don't understand is that all of this is so funking realtive and if you don't like Hip Hiop just funk off with your lame comments and don't say nothin if you got nothin better to say ! Why to offend somebody when you can just shut the funk up !!!

PEOPLE , Respect what others like !!!

LoL This is turning into some random rant of errr'body..

I feel like closing this sucka if this goes on.. smh..