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| Essentially, this definition of hip-hop comes from those who aren't hip-hop, and those who are new to everything learn this definition, not the real one. So the wrong idea is promoted.
If any of you (and I'm guessing most of you have) have head the "I'm on a boat song" then thats exactly what those outside think of hip-hop, whats really sad is that people see that song as a parody of hip-hop, those on the inside like us don't understand, because its not even a parody, its just plain wrong. I'm not sure why T-Pain did that, imo it hurt alot. I'm usually a bit of a T-Pain fan, I don't hate on the autotune thing, he created the fad, hating on T-Pain for everyone using autotune is the same as blaming Marley Marl for Soulja Boy.
The last of a band is bs, don't ever tell me that a sampler isnt a musician, he is. And if you don't sample, you compose, which means your likely to play an instrument to an extent. But playing an instrument isnt the definition of a musician.
Just wanted to try and direct away from any race discussion, everythings been intelligently argued so far, but in my experience any discussion on the topic on forums leads to negativity and general ungoodliness. | | AIM - The2ndMan2
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| | 17 Oct 2009 12:57 PM |
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| ^^
agreed, my bad...
You know what's funny to me is that I've seen monster musicians all over the world that never seem to get famous or anything.
I had this idea about a tv show where I go to different clubs all over the world, one city a week and show one song each from the best bands or artists performing that night in that city. I think rather than watch someone make an ass out of themeselves on American Idol I would much prefer to see talented people who never get a chance to be heard with professional video gear and professional sound.
It seems like a lot of the "good" music is not "packaged" very well. I wonder if that has anything to do with the state of the music business today. Just an observation... It seems like we want Eminem and Dre and Timbo to do all the A & R too... It just seems like there is no way they could be all those things at once.
It's like people who know how to get hits on youtube and find a M.E. and an agent (and little else) do better than people with real skills who don't know how to do those things. It's kind of sad... | | | |
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| | 17 Oct 2009 02:33 PM |
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| Yeah let's leave colors outta this because everything original is not, ever heard of what goes around comes around when you die and come back somebody else might create rap, country, classical,rhythm and blues, and so on and so on and so on. Keep it HIP HOP. IT was intended for the masses not just one race nothing created is just for one race. PEACE | | | "I Am The Manifestation of Study, Not The Manifestation of Money."
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slliks867
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| | 17 Oct 2009 08:52 PM |
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| You know what is really crazy about the whole " hip-hop isn't thought as music" thing, and quite a few peepl who i thought knew better... but obviously don;t Some critics strayed away from lyrics being what hip hop is about to now it is how much money one has which i pure bull, so because Jay sells more makes him better than a big daddy kane or because lil dude got this and got that he is better than Rakim? get out, there are undaground catz who would smash jay, wayne, geezy,ross and all these mainstream mofos..... word | | | "I Am The Manifestation of Study, Not The Manifestation of Money."
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| | 17 Oct 2009 10:46 PM |
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| True... But people who say Hip Hop isn't real music don't hear the underground catz, so is it their fault they don't know any better? I still say even rappers who are a little sloppy rhytmically are still relatively in time (usually) with the music so to me it's still music. It might be bad music but still music.
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| not at all but expansion of the mind is a seriously free thing and in order to undastand you have to dwell in all aspects of the form of whateva you are critiquing to me. | | | "I Am The Manifestation of Study, Not The Manifestation of Money."
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A.G.C.
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| | 17 Oct 2009 11:02 PM |
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| Yeah, but it's easier to say it sucks! (lol)
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| | 18 Oct 2009 01:09 AM |
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| Nah, its thought of as music by sensible people. Unfortunatley, hip hop is full of over sensitive opinionated people that are forgive me for saying this . . . dumb. The people u find in hip hop go out of their way to be offended by somthing and they think 2 much. But the stuff they think about is complete bull. The word hip hop has lost all meaning because its over thought. But its just like every other genre. With every music comes a certain lifestyle, because the music you listen to can say a lot for what type of person you are. Weather your a rocker, a trance guy, or a hip hop guy, they all come with a different lifestyle and for some reason people in hip hop think that theyr the only ones that can call their music genre a way of life. Well they couldnt be more wrong.
So for this reason this is why you get such comments as ''look at the way you dress . . u aint hip hop'' etc etc. Unfortunatley, this genre is full of narrow minds and you either deal with it or start listening to other genre's. | | | I'm pure adrenaline, uncut, straight to your gut, medicine,
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| I cannot be arsed to re type here, what I have said so many times before about the current state of hip hop. If you want to read my opinons, use the search function.
However I do need to say that Hip Hop culture (culture being the keyword here) differs from other subcultures in that it is a more compleate package. While yes, rockers tend to dress a certain way... well... that's about it. Everything is centered around the sub branch of music. In hip hop you have a heck alot of more to it then just the music, the variety of expression and philosophy is much broader. You can give me a can of montana anytime, and I will express myself with it just aswell as I do with my beats. | | | |
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Posted By Shane Jay AKA RockNRolla on 18 Oct 2009 01:09 AM
Nah, its thought of as music by sensible people. Unfortunatley, hip hop is full of over sensitive opinionated people that are forgive me for saying this . . . dumb. The people u find in hip hop go out of their way to be offended by somthing and they think 2 much. But the stuff they think about is complete bull. The word hip hop has lost all meaning because its over thought. But its just like every other genre. With every music comes a certain lifestyle, because the music you listen to can say a lot for what type of person you are. Weather your a rocker, a trance guy, or a hip hop guy, they all come with a different lifestyle and for some reason people in hip hop think that theyr the only ones that can call their music genre a way of life. Well they couldnt be more wrong.
So for this reason this is why you get such comments as ''look at the way you dress . . u aint hip hop'' etc etc. Unfortunatley, this genre is full of narrow minds and you either deal with it or start listening to other genre's.
but the difference between hip-hop and rock culture is that rock focuses around partying. yea u can dress rock but thats jus about it 4 the culture. hip-hop as so many aspects 2 it. so we can say stuff like thats not hip-hop. rock can b a way of life fo sum people but for most who grew up broke or in the hood, hip-hop is life-rapper back then actually spoke what we was going through, rappin about our struggle. i grew up in the ghetto, when i heard rock music i couldn't relate 2 that, i can't relate to partying all night and smashin guitars, but i can relate to havin 2 hustle to survive u feel me. so hip-hop is a way of life.
and i jus wanna say that there is no such think as black and white music. jimi hendrix who is BLACK is a legend in the rock world, the beastie boys who are WHITE legends in the rap world. and bob james also WHITE is probably the most sampled artist in hip-hop, so what exactly is white and black music | | | DADE COUNTY THA BEST!!!!!
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| | 19 Oct 2009 11:53 PM |
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| In a sense that is right, I enjoyment out of listenning to bands like Blink 182 because they spend a lot of time talking about a lot of things to do with school and meaningless teen relationships etc because I can relate to that. But at the same time I can enjoy listenning to something like savage garden which is all about meaningful deep love or SlipKnot which has sucidal death themes or Radiohead which makes little sense at the best of time. I can't relate to these bands song but I still love them. Personally I don't think relating to something has a whole lot of meaning. | | 
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Posted By MR. Dade County on 15 Oct 2009 06:09 PM
ok, i here alot of people say that they don't like hiphop cuz it's not music.
well... F THEM!
Don't even mind "close-minded f*cks" like that. Just let them be, their stupidity is their loss, not yours. 
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2nd Man
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| | 21 Oct 2009 12:04 PM |
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| ^you can say that, but I used to hate hip-hop....
we all say their loss, but if there not understanding hip-hop and putting it down, leading to them not being a part of it (and essentially not buying into it), it is also our loss | | AIM - The2ndMan2
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Posted By K-Ta-Klysm on 21 Oct 2009 01:40 PM
yes, but you can't really change a man, unless a man wanna change within, don't you?
That's true, but I think a lot of the time when you have an open mind towards using influences of other types of music in what you do you can kind of gently "draw people in" if you will. That is if it's good music. -=Rate My Beat=- | | | |
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| Yea that would be interesting, TI. Really, to sum it up, a person can like whatever he or she wants. It just bugs me when people think that gives them the right to catagorize anything else as garbage. You definitely can't think "my way or the highway" and put down other preferences. And be real, don't even let that affect you; you like what you like. Anyone that has a problem with that can kick rox! | | | <{$MUZIQ$}> | |
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| | 22 Oct 2009 02:57 PM |
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| its not as if im a rocker here, i just used that as an example, but dam, u guys think clothes is the only culture they have ? lol, what about festivals, body art (tatoos etc etc). Im just saying, hip hop isnt the only music that people live by and my point was completley missed. That wasnt even the main focus, im not tryna say which is more cultured, im saying taht there are cultures in other music, e.g trance, they go t raves, they wear certain types of clothes. True it may not be as ''serious'' so to speak, as hip hop, but it doesnt stop it from being a lifestyle | | | I'm pure adrenaline, uncut, straight to your gut, medicine,
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Posted By A.G.C. on 17 Oct 2009 11:02 PM
That understanding ish takes work!!!
And there we have one of the most profound statements boiled down into as few words as possible. It also applies to the root of about 99.9999% of all problems one group has with another. | | | Did you find something useful on Warbeats? If so, please consider donating to help keep this site alive. | |
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