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08 Oct 2009 10:18 AMThe Strangest Secret
Earl Nightingale is probably one of the very first motivational speakers to be recorded. The video below is a retelling of one his first lectures he did about 50 years ago.

I bought and heard another of Earl's lectures called "Lead The Field" (and extended version of the lecture below) about 10 years ago and it changed my outlook on what it means to be successful and how to be successful. I hope it can do the same for you.

DISCLAIMER: Before you watch these vids, I suggest you don't let yourself think about the fact that they are old and that the guy speaking looks like a very square man from the 1950s. The information he gives could change your life, IF you are able to put aside the visual and allow yourself to listen to the message.

I suggest you open up the videos in another window and play them without watching, just listen. Then come back here and comment on this.



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08 Oct 2009 12:36 PM
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08 Oct 2009 01:01 PM
O_o man...thx for this excellent post....its very similar to now days book "the secret"
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08 Oct 2009 01:51 PM
"the Secret" (the recent book) is basically a rip off of this and more so, Napoleon Hill's book "Think and Grow Rich" published in 1937 (now public domain)

Free PDF version here: http://www.luxuryvagabonds.com/eboo...owRich.pdf

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08 Oct 2009 02:47 PM
follow the follower... words of wisdom right there... dont do it. thats exactly what i did in middle school... high school... following the people who followed mtv and television trying to be cool. only if i had realized this earlier. this guy narrated my life. i joined to military right out of school. im still in and i certainly have goals... but as of right now i have used about 10 percent of my effort to achieve them. this video made me realize that i truly will become what i think about most of the time, according to how much effort i put into it. great video... thanks NFX.
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10 Oct 2009 01:51 AM
Honestly I don't really have time to watch that vid but if it's anything like what I've heard about the secret then here's my opnion

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25 Oct 2009 03:19 PM
Wow funny how you can make anything stupid if you misuse the context and or actual meaning.
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26 Oct 2009 11:31 AM
With regards to the Secret and the other "Law Of Attraction" books and videos, you have to step back and look at the message logically.

The core message to all these is the same: The best way to achieve something, is to believe you can do it.

Unfortunately the book "The Secret" and another similar one "Ask and It is Given" pretty much leaves it at that. As if just a deep belief is all it takes.

It takes more than that in my eyes and you obviously cannot fly no matter how much you believe it to be true.

But if you flip the script, the core truth in the message becomes obvious to me:

You cannot achieve that which you do not believe you are capable of.

In other words, more people will fail and defeat themselves by not believing in what they are capable of. The reason is also obvious. "If I don't think I can do it, why try?" Therefore, I don't try and of course I never achieve it.

Nightingale's message is a little different. He also says that as long as you are advancing toward your goal you are successful, even if you haven't reached it yet. Even if you never reach it, you will have had a life full of doing what you love and surrounding yourself with those things. Don't let the end result determine your success, let the journey give that to you.

Of course without the belief in yourself, you may never even take the first step in that wonderful journey.
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26 Oct 2009 02:00 PM
Well here's my way of getting something. Mapp out how you are going to get it in little steps then complete all of them. Now as far as I'm concerned that's all there is.
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26 Oct 2009 02:20 PM
^But you still beleive your able to complete them all.
If you got to a step and went "i can't do that" then you don't get what you want
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27 Oct 2009 12:20 AM
No you can say "I can't do that" as much as you bloody well like as long as you complete all the steps you give yourself the best chance of getting to your goal. Believing does ish all
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27 Oct 2009 02:06 AM
Believing does ish all


I'm afraid that's not true. Lots of studies have shown that patients with a positive mentality (usually people with strong faith) recover quicker than those without such convctions. This doesn't confirm the truth claims of their particular faith (I'm an atheist), but it does demonstrate that your thoughts can have a direct effect on your physical well-being. When people pray or meditate, the brain releases chemicals that are natural pain killers and mood enhancers. The result is that blood pressure, stress and anxiety (measurable at the level of hormones) all decrease. In fact, when I was at university I read a study that reported that some cancer patients in Australia were fully cured without any treatment at all, and that the only common denominator was that they all had strong religious beliefs and were convinced that god would always stand by them. I wish I could quote the study, but I haven't got my hands on it since I read it.

Again, this doesn't confirm the content of their belief to be true, but it does confirm it's potential effect. Belief in yourself (albeit a different kind of belief than faith) affects your confidence, and the way you present yourself and your work to others. If you're enthusiastic about your work, you're more likely (not guaranteed, but jus moe lkely) to enthuse others about it too. And if others are enthused by your work, you're more likely to get somewhere with it. I'm not saying that belief itself is sufficient. Of course it's not, you need quality to back it up. What I'm saying is that belief is a pre-requisite for success.
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27 Oct 2009 03:41 AM
Thats nonsense fisha, the idea gets mocked and taken out of proportion and thats what you now consider the idea to be. Its simply, if you beleive something is possible, it is achievable. Thats not to say you will achieve it, but your able to.

"No you can say "I can't do that" as much as you bloody well like as long as you complete all the steps you give yourself the best chance of getting to your goal. Believing does ish a."

If you say I can't do it, then your really not going to do it. Lets take an odd example, say you've got a goal to go to China for a year on a gap year or something. One of your steps could be to learn Cantonese. If you get to that step and go "nah im no good at learning languages, i cant do that" then you arent going to complete that step. your not going to magically learn Cantonese, and your not going to learn it because you've already decided its not possible for you to. So that step doesnt get completed. And you don't go to China.

Stop thinking of it as a crazy far out philopsopical idea and understand it for the logical idea it is. Unless you beleive something it is possible, it isn't possible

You then take that idea and turn it into, right I want to achieve bigger goals, and I cant achieve something without me believing its possible. Therefore the first step to achieving something is beleiving that you can achieve it. NOTE, its the first step. You seem to have it messed up as the only step.

And thats before you get to what Joqs talking about about self confidence etc.
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27 Oct 2009 02:38 PM

This video realy puts life in a better perspective,  motivates me to push myself a lot harder in life. Whether making beats or doing my school work or small things in life , well I thought they were small but they are  more important than ever. Right now I dont have a account or credit card because my store that I was running closed down. So now I am back in school to get a better job if this music  thing does not work out. but soon as I get a account I will def put my money twards the people who helped me .  THANKS!!!

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28 Oct 2009 02:34 AM
Posted By 2nd Man on 27 Oct 2009 03:41 AM
Thats nonsense fisha, the idea gets mocked and taken out of proportion and thats what you now consider the idea to be. Its simply, if you beleive something is possible, it is achievable. Thats not to say you will achieve it, but your able to.

"No you can say "I can't do that" as much as you bloody well like as long as you complete all the steps you give yourself the best chance of getting to your goal. Believing does ish a."

If you say I can't do it, then your really not going to do it. Lets take an odd example, say you've got a goal to go to China for a year on a gap year or something. One of your steps could be to learn Cantonese. If you get to that step and go "nah im no good at learning languages, i cant do that" then you arent going to complete that step. your not going to magically learn Cantonese, and your not going to learn it because you've already decided its not possible for you to. So that step doesnt get completed. And you don't go to China.

Stop thinking of it as a crazy far out philopsopical idea and understand it for the logical idea it is. Unless you beleive something it is possible, it isn't possible

You then take that idea and turn it into, right I want to achieve bigger goals, and I cant achieve something without me believing its possible. Therefore the first step to achieving something is beleiving that you can achieve it. NOTE, its the first step. You seem to have it messed up as the only step.

And thats before you get to what Joqs talking about about self confidence etc.

Naa mate, sure it's less likely that you will follow through with something if you don't believe you can do it but I have known many people who have completed things that they absolutely hated. Belief isn't some magical force it just causes things to happen but if those things happen without you believing then the belief is unessicary.

 

@joqs: Did it say how many people have made full recoverys without belief. I think there would be almost as many

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28 Oct 2009 04:41 AM
@joqs: Did it say how many people have made full recoverys without belief. I think there would be almost as many


The study was specifically about the nature of belief at the neurological level, and it's effect on how the brain behaves as a result. Obviously, in order to assess the recovery rate of recovery for people with strong convictions, you'd need to compare it with that of people without such convictions, which the study does. It just so happens that people with faith tend to have stronger convictions, or be more optimistic about their chances of recovery than those without faith, but it's perfectly possible to be an atheist and have convictions as strong as the faithful - but of course we're by nature more sceptical, and that translates into generally slower recovery rates. As for the cancer patients, they all had strong faith. But you're wrong to interpret what we've said as conveying belief to be some magical force. On the contrary, an overwhelming amount of scientific studies have shown that the positive effects of belief (where it's faith, or sheer optimism) are all accountable at a biological level. They are empirically verifiable, and so they're explainable on a scientific level. No supernatural magical explanation is needed.

Here's something I just googled.

"Recently, Ai et al. (2002) investigated the use of private prayer as a way of coping and the relationship between prayer and optimism among 246 patients waiting for cardiac surgery. The measure of prayer included three aspects in the study; they were 1) belief in the importance of private prayer, 2) faith in the efficacy of prayer on the basis of previous experiences, and 3) intention to use prayer to cope with the distress associated with surgery. Data on patients’ religious and controlling variables were collected 2 weeks before the surgery, and those on optimism were measured the day before the surgery. The findings showed that private prayer was predictive of optimism in the cardiac surgery patients. The result did not alter even after controlling for age, socioeconomic resources, and healthier affect.

In a more recent study, Koenig (2004) surveyed 838 patients admitted to the general medical service wards. Various religious and spiritual measures were recorded. The measures of religiousness and religion-related spirituality included organizational religious activity (ORA), non-organizational religious activity, intrinsic religiosity (IR), self-rated religiousness, and observer-rated religiousness (ORR), observer-rated spirituality (ORS), and daily spiritual experiences. In this study, the self-rated and observer-rated social support, depressive symptoms, cognitive status, cooperativeness, and physical health among the patients were used as dependent variables. After analyses by regression models controlling for age, the results revealed that religiousness and spirituality consistently predicted greater social support, fewer depressive symptoms, better cognitive function, and greater cooperativeness in the patients. In addition, the association between religiousness and spirituality on the one hand, and physical health on the other, was weaker than the psychological one, although there existed between them a significant relationship. At the same time, patients who categorized themselves as neither spiritual nor religious had severer self-rated and observer-rated health problems and greater medical co-morbidity. Conclusively, the findings showed that religious and spiritual involvement was prevalent in hospitalized patients, and they were apparently associated with greater social support, better psychological health, and to some extent, better physical health. Awareness of these relationships may improve health care."

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http://www.psychosocial.com/IJPR_11/Positive_Effects_of_Religiousness_Yeung_Jerf.html
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Posted By 2nd Man on 27 Oct 2009 03:41 AM
Thats nonsense fisha, the idea gets mocked and taken out of proportion and thats what you now consider the idea to be. Its simply, if you beleive something is possible, it is achievable. Thats not to say you will achieve it, but your able to.

"No you can say "I can't do that" as much as you bloody well like as long as you complete all the steps you give yourself the best chance of getting to your goal. Believing does ish a."

If you say I can't do it, then your really not going to do it. Lets take an odd example, say you've got a goal to go to China for a year on a gap year or something. One of your steps could be to learn Cantonese. If you get to that step and go "nah im no good at learning languages, i cant do that" then you arent going to complete that step. your not going to magically learn Cantonese, and your not going to learn it because you've already decided its not possible for you to. So that step doesnt get completed. And you don't go to China.

Stop thinking of it as a crazy far out philopsopical idea and understand it for the logical idea it is. Unless you beleive something it is possible, it isn't possible

You then take that idea and turn it into, right I want to achieve bigger goals, and I cant achieve something without me believing its possible. Therefore the first step to achieving something is beleiving that you can achieve it. NOTE, its the first step. You seem to have it messed up as the only step.

And thats before you get to what Joqs talking about about self confidence etc.

Naa mate, sure it's less likely that you will follow through with something if you don't believe you can do it but I have known many people who have completed things that they absolutely hated. Belief isn't some magical force it just causes things to happen but if those things happen without you believing then the belief is unessicary.

 

@joqs: Did it say how many people have made full recoverys without belief. I think there would be almost as many


Hate and the idea that something is impossible and completely different things, lol

And your still taking the whole thing to be a big magic universe idea where you wish for something and you get it, smh

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