Posted By Grey Ghost on 05 Oct 2009 04:29 AM
I believe the point is that everything is going to have one or another shortcoming, so doing anything other than speaking on how to overcome it is kinda useless. ;-)

Posted By Dmarc Beats on 07 Oct 2009 08:18 PM
fl studio dont really get as much hate as it used

you would be amazed at how many people dont believe me when i say i use fl studio tho
loool

Posted By A.G.C. on 07 Oct 2009 10:37 AM
FL let's you compose and render in two different audio settings compared to most DAW's that only have one, this alone accounts for a lot of the supposed "FL Studio sound" b.s. that you hear. If your system can't play something in real time with very close to the settings that you have in the render settings, well your not gonna be happy with the performance unless you really know what your doing. There's an old adage, you can do fast, you can do cheap, you can do quality; pick two. With FL you start out with fast and cheap, you add capabilities to your computer and third party plugins one at a time until it is now fast and quality. People who put it down don't realize that. If your comparing the effects in FL to Acid Pro that's really not a fair comparison, that would be like comparing the step sequencer in FL to Acid... oh wait there is no step sequencer in Acid. You can add an effects suite to FL faster and easier than you can add a step sequencer to a DAW that doesn't have one. You can do it but it ain't fast or cheap and most of the time it ain't quality.

The second thing is that FL Studio has the most retarded Manual in the History of DAWs. I know, that's a bold statement. But if you wanna know why pros "keep on walking" and newbs give up and move on to something that is not as efficient at laying out patterns for beats, it's cause everything is called fruity this and fruity that. I've used this liine before but when you go to the Imageline forums and someone says "The F1 key is your friend" my response it "no, it funking hates me, Funk the F1 key and the horse it rode in on." Everything is called fruity this and fruity that and there is two versions and they don't explicitly tell you that one is a higher quality than the other unless you get the FL Studio Bible unless it is one of those plugins they are trying to sell you. If they would just stop naming everything with the "cutesy" names. Changing the name from fruity loops to fl studio does no good if you don't know how to find a phaser cause it ain't called a phaser anywhere. I don't want to look through the bleedin' manual to find something I already know how to use. The F1 key brings up a glorified glossary instead of a help file. That's why people are mystified to it's ways until they come to Warbeats.

The third thing is customer support, If I send an email to N.I. I get a response with an answer within 24 hours on a business day, same thing with Sony Acid. I post a question on a forum that is prefaced by saying that I worked in customer support for a major computer company and somebody tells me "the F1 key is your friend"?!?

Now on the other hand FL Studio is the fastest way I know of to throw down drums and midi VST ideas, I've tried most of the DAWs except Record and Reaper at one time and the workflow for these two things cannot be beat, period. If you want to do remixes with loops on the fly Abletons great, if you wanna record audio or chop loops Acids the bomb, if you want everything all in one consistent package with a GUI that emualates hardware, Reasons the ish (personally I find the cords and knobs and sliders in DAWs as opposed to boxes where you type in values to be a time waster but... if it makes other people feel comfortable...)

Again, when I see the criticism I figure this person is looking at it the wrong way. If you can tell me one DAW that doesn't have a major advantage in one area I'll show you a DAW that stops getting made within two years. Watch, before the year is out people will be saying Record is the best DAW ever. If your a dedicated Reason user who can't figure out how to rewire then Record probably is the best solution for you. Me personally I intend to learn all the DAWs I just listed and use them where they are strong so if I go into someones studio and they open up Logic I wanna be able to at least render everything so I can work with it in the best tool I can for the particular job.

Like I just "two tracked" a beat for a rapper last week, I could have done it in FL Studio sure, but with Acid it was litereilly three mouse clicks (including dropping the wav file in the Acid icon) and I was laying down tracks. Ctl click and I can create a temorary bus to bring up all the background vocals at one time. Click, now I can bring up just the track. Click, Little Wayne vocal stutter.  Click, revese cymbal crash that begins and ends exactly where I want it.  Click, record guitar.  Click, reverse it.  Click, record bass.  Click,  type in number for panning.  10 mins I'm done.   Now if I was making a beat from "sratch" I open up FL Studio everytime. The browser, the step sequencer, FPC, drag and drop samples, 2 mouse clicks I'm recording loops, 2 mouse clicks I'm recording automation, ect...   10 mins I'm done.  I got other "secret sauce" programs but I'm gonna keep em' to myself.  Let's just say there are programs I got back in window 95 that I still use cause they do a certain thing that FL Studio and no other DAW will.  I use the right tool for the job.  No sense trying to pound in a nail with a screwdriver.

Now if someone "puts down" FL studio and it's not on the two forums I go to, what do I do? I agree with them. That right, you heard me. If I'm on youtube and somebody says "Ableton live kicks FL Studio's butt" I say "Yeah, FL Studio is a punk!" Why? That's one more tool in my belt they ain't got, sucker ass close minded fool.

Like that boxer in Pulp Fiction said, "they keep underestimating me, that's how I stay one step ahead of em'". Let's keep the secret to ourselves shall we?

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Wow, great reply. Well said, thanks!

Posted By Skraal on 08 Oct 2009 07:06 AM
lol to the FL haters its like FL is paint and the "good" programs are adobe photoshop wtf?! you made that sick graphic in paint?!

Posted By lucas572 on 11 Oct 2009 11:58 AM
  And they always say they use Fl, which makes passers by and other DAW users to think that FL is just baby-ish.

I mean who in their right mind would try to make a sampled beat in Reason? You pop out FL or if you got it an MP right? Well, only if you prefer them you would, you feel me? It doesn't matter what you use


Tip of the day: never state what you use to make beats. Your music should speak for itself. What you use shouldn't effect anyones judment on your art