Liam Repiso
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 | | 28 Sep 2009 03:50 PM |
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| I was just wondering what you guys think. I very much enjoy working with FLStudio and have made lots of beats with it, but it seems to me that the program gets an awful lot of stick from people who seem to regard it as substandard. I see it on youtube an awful lot where people who have made some nice beats will receive comments such as "meh it just sounds like a fruity loops beat" and other similar remarks that suggest FLStudio is below par. I also worry a little that my beats will not be taken so seriously if people know they have been made on FL. I know I shouldnt do but its because of these negative views that people seem to have about it. Why do you think they have this view, because I can't really think of anything that FL can not do. What does it lack that other programs such as Ableton Live, Logic and Cubase have?
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Thisismyname
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| | 28 Sep 2009 03:54 PM |
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| I assume that many people look down on it because of the name. Also, as with any product where there exist an alternative, there will be people who will argue that the product they use is the best and that any alternative cannot possibly be as good.
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Fobuo Fobuo
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| | 28 Sep 2009 10:25 PM |
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| There are 4 main reasons:
1) It does not look professional. Believe it or not, a lot of idio-I mean, people,base their opinion on a product based on how it looks rather than what it does. To be fair to those people though, FLStudio does look horrible compared to other DAWs.
2) It does not handle hardware as well as other DAWs.
3) It's known for crashing/not being stable. On my Laptop, FLStudio has crashed 13 times since it was installed. On my desktop, its crashed 22 times since it was installed. On my Touchsmart, FLStudio has crashed...You wouldn't believe me if I told you.
4) It has l.....a....te......nc...y....issues.
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JB Production a.k.a. johnriba
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| | 29 Sep 2009 02:05 AM |
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| i think its mostly becouse of the name....fruity loops...xD that name sounds like a game for kids(even thou it has changed to FLStudio now) | | 
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| | 29 Sep 2009 05:01 AM |
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| There is another factor to it. You gotta realise that FL didn't have all it does now back in the day. I remember when the step editor was a separate program from the sequencer. FL didn't start out as a full blown DAW, it gradually evolved. Alot of people might have tried the program back in the day deemed it featureless and kept their opnions intact without re-visiting updated software. Also, FL has a very fast learning curve to get to a certain level atleast. Propably the reason alot of people pick it up when they are first starting of. And with todays global communications everyone can get their music heard fairly easily. So the amount of "bad" product out there made by the novices (who picked FL for the easy learning curve) is large, and thus people call it the FL sound, thinking it's the program and not the user. (no offence to anyone but today everyone is a producer and the standarts of what is acceptable have sunken drasticly). If there was a actual FL sound, people would not feel the need to ask the more experienced beat smiths what they used to make the with  | | | |
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AK beatz
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| | 29 Sep 2009 05:44 AM |
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Posted By Fobuo Fobuo on 28 Sep 2009 10:25 PM
3) It's known for crashing/not being stable. On my Laptop, FLStudio has crashed 13 times since it was installed. On my desktop, its crashed 22 times since it was installed. On my Touchsmart, FLStudio has crashed...You wouldn't believe me if I told you.
4) It has l.....a....te......nc...y....issues.
3. Has nothing to do with the DAW itself. If you have cracked vst's. wrong drivers or bad cpu, every DAW will crash sooner or later. If you don't know enough about pc perfomance and the right setup you shouldn't blame FLStudio. Since the day fl 8 came out i had only one crash...and that because of a wrong installed plugin. 4. And again...latency has nothing to do with FLStudio itself. It depends on which system, driver, sound interface or soundcard you have...even if you have the best sound interface out there..with the wrong drivers/system you'll have latency issues in every DAW...not just FLStudio. | |  | |
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| | 29 Sep 2009 08:08 AM |
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| ^ not trying to bust your balls here but my fl has EXTREME latency while reason, protools, cubase etc. dont (and yeah tried every option and setting to fix it)
My teachers, as well as pretty much 99% of my school are claiming that FL really does have a ''bad sound'', they said it mostly had to do with the stereo image, the stock mixing plugins, and the exporting. they said it has definitly gotten better over the years and its quite a nice sequencer, but that no product should be mixed and/or mastered in there.
Im not entirely sure if thats true, but my teachers have been into music since the 80s and have tried practically everything out there.. | | | **Hope for the best, Prepare for the worst.** | |
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AK beatz
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| | 29 Sep 2009 08:47 AM |
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Posted By SPE on 29 Sep 2009 08:08 AM
^ not trying to bust your balls here but my fl has EXTREME latency while reason, protools, cubase etc. dont (and yeah tried every option and setting to fix it)
My teachers, as well as pretty much 99% of my school are claiming that FL really does have a ''bad sound'', they said it mostly had to do with the stereo image, the stock mixing plugins, and the exporting. they said it has definitly gotten better over the years and its quite a nice sequencer, but that no product should be mixed and/or mastered in there.
Im not entirely sure if thats true, but my teachers have been into music since the 80s and have tried practically everything out there..
What is "extreme" latency to you? And also, which soundcard/interface are you using? Asio drivers? What system do you have? Ppl need to understand that latency has nothing to do with which DAW you're using. Is your soundcard/interface usb, firewire, PCI? Now believe it or not...but it makes a huge difference if you're using for example: - a external usb or a PCI soundcard - 32 bit or 64 bit xp/vista - a old system or a quad core - enough RAM - the actual brand driver or some crappy windows/mac default audio driver - up to date drivers from the homepage or 2 year old drivers from the old install cd back then. Little things like this make the difference between good and bad latency. And the reason why YOU have a better latency in reason, pt, etc. over FLStudio is simply cuz one DAW might work more stable on your system than another...because of different cpu usage, driver setups etc. etc. This has nothing to do with the DAW...it's a matter of how good you can configure the DAW to your system. I agree that it's maybe a little harder to set up the perfect audio settings (that fits your system) in FLStudio compared to other DAW's. But once you have everything set up, you're ready to go. | | | |
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Fobuo Fobuo
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| | 29 Sep 2009 10:29 AM |
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Posted By AK beatz on 29 Sep 2009 05:44 AM
Posted By Fobuo Fobuo on 28 Sep 2009 10:25 PM
3) It's known for crashing/not being stable. On my Laptop, FLStudio has crashed 13 times since it was installed. On my desktop, its crashed 22 times since it was installed. On my Touchsmart, FLStudio has crashed...You wouldn't believe me if I told you.
4) It has l.....a....te......nc...y....issues.
3. Has nothing to do with the DAW itself. If you have cracked vst's. wrong drivers or bad cpu, every DAW will crash sooner or later. If you don't know enough about pc perfomance and the right setup you shouldn't blame FLStudio. Since the day fl 8 came out i had only one crash...and that because of a wrong installed plugin.
4. And again...latency has nothing to do with FLStudio itself. It depends on which system, driver, sound interface or soundcard you have...even if you have the best sound interface out there..with the wrong drivers/system you'll have latency issues in every DAW...not just FLStudio.
3. It has everything to do with the DAW itself, there's a reason why FL 9 ships with an Abort button. For comparisons sake, Reason has crashed twice since it was installed-and believe it or not, on both occasions it was actually ReWiring it into FL that caused it to crash. 4. Ehhh, it's a well known fact that FLStudio suffers from latency and audio distortion issues. I haven't spent much time with FL 9 yet, but so far the same audio and Midi performance issues from FL 8 have carried over. I'd love to hear what you consider a "right" setup and "right" performance  | | | |
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AK beatz
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| | 29 Sep 2009 11:11 AM |
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Posted By Fobuo Fobuo on 29 Sep 2009 10:29 AM
Posted By AK beatz on 29 Sep 2009 05:44 AM
Posted By Fobuo Fobuo on 28 Sep 2009 10:25 PM
3) It's known for crashing/not being stable. On my Laptop, FLStudio has crashed 13 times since it was installed. On my desktop, its crashed 22 times since it was installed. On my Touchsmart, FLStudio has crashed...You wouldn't believe me if I told you.
4) It has l.....a....te......nc...y....issues.
3. Has nothing to do with the DAW itself. If you have cracked vst's. wrong drivers or bad cpu, every DAW will crash sooner or later. If you don't know enough about pc perfomance and the right setup you shouldn't blame FLStudio. Since the day fl 8 came out i had only one crash...and that because of a wrong installed plugin.
4. And again...latency has nothing to do with FLStudio itself. It depends on which system, driver, sound interface or soundcard you have...even if you have the best sound interface out there..with the wrong drivers/system you'll have latency issues in every DAW...not just FLStudio.
3. It has everything to do with the DAW itself, there's a reason why FL 9 ships with an Abort button. For comparisons sake, Reason has crashed twice since it was installed-and believe it or not, on both occasions it was actually ReWiring it into FL that caused it to crash.
4. Ehhh, it's a well known fact that FLStudio suffers from latency and audio distortion issues. I haven't spent much time with FL 9 yet, but so far the same audio and Midi performance issues from FL 8 have carried over.
I'd love to hear what you consider a "right" setup and "right" performance
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What well known fact? I've got FLStudio 8 and no audio distortion issues at all...no clicks, pops, glitching, nothing. Only cuz YOUR system doesn't handle FLStudio that good, doesn't mean that it is a "well known fact".
So i know that you don't like FLStudio 8...it's not stable enough, clicks and pops and whatever. That's ok, your opinion.
But blaming the brandnew version of FLStudio? Ehrm...let's see. The release date was like what...2-3 weeks ago? Oh man! A program is like 2 weeks old and is STILL unstable??!
You're right man...the guys from image-line suck big time!
Read the post above you to learn more stuff about latency issues...
It's easy to blame the DAW when you don't realize, that it's the user and not the program, that causes the problem. No offence though...really, i just want you to understand what makes the difference when talking about good and bad latency.
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| | 29 Sep 2009 01:14 PM |
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| i had problems with latency and clicking and popping due to underruns... and then i decided to install the ASIO driver for the first time when i installed FL 9....... and wow it fixed everything... no lag no underruns.. ASIO FTW. | | | |
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| | 29 Sep 2009 03:27 PM |
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| I've been hearing peope put down Fl but I have never heard anyone mention an alternative for when it comes to composing. | | 
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| | 29 Sep 2009 05:12 PM |
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Posted By Fisha on 29 Sep 2009 03:27 PM
I've been hearing peope put down Fl but I have never heard anyone mention an alternative for when it comes to composing.
IMO Sonar and Cubase are both viable alternative to FL because anything you can do in FL composition-wise you can do in Sonar or Cubase. Cubase and Sonar also have a score editing feature which convert your MIDI data into western music notation. This is great if you know how to read sheet music. The only thing FL has that Cubase lacks is a step sequencer. | | | |
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Fobuo Fobuo
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Posted By AK beatz on 29 Sep 2009 11:11 AM
Posted By Fobuo Fobuo on 29 Sep 2009 10:29 AM
Posted By AK beatz on 29 Sep 2009 05:44 AM
Posted By Fobuo Fobuo on 28 Sep 2009 10:25 PM
3) It's known for crashing/not being stable. On my Laptop, FLStudio has crashed 13 times since it was installed. On my desktop, its crashed 22 times since it was installed. On my Touchsmart, FLStudio has crashed...You wouldn't believe me if I told you.
4) It has l.....a....te......nc...y....issues.
3. Has nothing to do with the DAW itself. If you have cracked vst's. wrong drivers or bad cpu, every DAW will crash sooner or later. If you don't know enough about pc perfomance and the right setup you shouldn't blame FLStudio. Since the day fl 8 came out i had only one crash...and that because of a wrong installed plugin.
4. And again...latency has nothing to do with FLStudio itself. It depends on which system, driver, sound interface or soundcard you have...even if you have the best sound interface out there..with the wrong drivers/system you'll have latency issues in every DAW...not just FLStudio.
3. It has everything to do with the DAW itself, there's a reason why FL 9 ships with an Abort button. For comparisons sake, Reason has crashed twice since it was installed-and believe it or not, on both occasions it was actually ReWiring it into FL that caused it to crash.
4. Ehhh, it's a well known fact that FLStudio suffers from latency and audio distortion issues. I haven't spent much time with FL 9 yet, but so far the same audio and Midi performance issues from FL 8 have carried over.
I'd love to hear what you consider a "right" setup and "right" performance
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What well known fact? I've got FLStudio 8 and no audio distortion issues at all...no clicks, pops, glitching, nothing. Only cuz YOUR system doesn't handle FLStudio that good, doesn't mean that it is a "well known fact".
So i know that you don't like FLStudio 8...it's not stable enough, clicks and pops and whatever. That's ok, your opinion.
But blaming the brandnew version of FLStudio? Ehrm...let's see. The release date was like what...2-3 weeks ago? Oh man! A program is like 2 weeks old and is STILL unstable??!
You're right man...the guys from image-line suck big time!
Read the post above you to learn more stuff about latency issues...
It's easy to blame the DAW when you don't realize, that it's the user and not the program, that causes the problem. No offence though...really, i just want you to understand what makes the difference when talking about good and bad latency.
No offense taken, I completely understand what you're trying to defend. The fact of the matter is, FLStudio latency issues are not isolated issues. If you were to go to Google and type in "Midi Latency FLStudio" I believe the search results would be sufficient enough to prove that this issue is in fact shared by many who use/have used the software. As for my system not handling FLStudio good-again, it would be easy to blame my hardware for the programs faults, crashes, and sloppy coding. But that simply is not the case as I am not running FLStudio on low-end hardware(This is why I asked you what you consider a "right" setup to be). So one last time: What do you consider a good or a "right" setup? Can you provide the "right" performance specs that one should have in order to run FLStudio without a problem? Lastly, about not "liking" FLStudio 8;This is not true at all. FLStudio 8 is my primary DAW and will remain that way until I've properly 'transitioned' into FLStudio 9. If I didn't "like" FLStudio 8, I wouldn't have put up with its numerous shortcomings as soon as I realized them/they became apparent. | | | |
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| results 1 - 10 of about 64,000 for Midi Latency cubase Results 1 - 10 of about 60,400 for Midi Latency FLStudio. whatchu say? | | | |
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Fobuo Fobuo
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Posted By DJ Henny on 01 Oct 2009 08:39 AM
results 1 - 10 of about 64,000 for Midi Latency cubase
Results 1 - 10 of about 60,400 for Midi Latency FLStudio.
whatchu say?
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Grey Ghost
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| I believe the point is that everything is going to have one or another shortcoming, so doing anything other than speaking on how to overcome it is kinda useless. ;-) | | | |
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Posted By Grey Ghost on 05 Oct 2009 04:29 AM
I believe the point is that everything is going to have one or another shortcoming, so doing anything other than speaking on how to overcome it is kinda useless. ;-)
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